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World's biggest liar in overdrive
« on: July 13, 2018, 06:04:39 PM »
And I get lectures on honor?  What about this guy, then?   

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-news-conference-theresa-may.html

10 Falsehoods From Trump’s News Conference With Theresa May
By LINDA QIU
 
25 mins ago
 

WHAT TRUMP SAID


“In Germany, we have 52,000 troops.”

THE FACTS

This is exaggerated.

In its most recent report, the Pentagon’s Defense Manpower Data Center said that 34,821 American troops were stationed in Germany as of March 31.

Mr. Trump may have also been counting the number of National Guard troops, reserve troops and civilian personnel in Germany, but he would still be off by a few thousand people. An estimated 47,500 Defense Department personnel are in Germany.

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WHAT TRUMP SAID


“We have left NATO with more money, with more unity, with more spirit, than NATO probably has ever had.”

THE FACTS

False.


Member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization have increased spending on their own militaries since 2014. At an annual meeting this week in Brussels, the member states affirmed their 2014 pledge to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on national defense by 2024.

But NATO’s members, including the United States, are still spending less money than they did during the Cold War.

Military spending across NATO is estimated to reach 2.4 percent of G.D.P. this year, according to a report that the alliance released on July 10. By comparison, member states spent 4.5 percent of GDP on national defense during the 1980s.



WHAT TRUMP SAID

“Well, if you remember, I was opening Turnberry the day before Brexit and we had an unbelievably large number of reporters there because everybody was there, I guess, because of Brexit and they all showed up on the ninth hole, overlooking the ocean, and I said what’s going on? And all they wanted to talk about was Brexit. They asked for my opinion. And I think you will agree that I said I think Brexit will happen, and it did happen.”

THE FACTS

False.

Mr. Trump visited the Turnberry golf resort in Scotland on June 24, 2016 — the day after Britain voted to leave the European Union. At a news conference, he called the outcome a “great thing” and also tweeted several times that day about the Brexit vote and its parallels to the American presidential election.

On June 22, the day before the Brexit vote, Mr. Trump was in New York, where he delivered a 41-minute speechcriticizing Hillary Clinton. He did not mention Brexit.

It is true that Mr. Trump supported Brexit before the June 23 vote and said in a March 2016 interview with ITV that “I think that Britain will separate from the E.U.”

But his prediction did not occur at the golf resort in Scotland the day before the vote.

OTHER CLAIMS

Mr. Trump also repeated several other claims during the news conference at Chequers, Mrs. May’s official country residence, that The New York Times has previously debunked:

■ He misleadingly claimed that the United States pays “90 percent of the cost of NATO” (his figure is overstated and conflates different measures of the alliance’s military spending).


■ He falsely claimed that the United States has “become an oil exporter, which would not have happened under the past regime” (it has been exporting oil for decades, but is still not a net exporter).

■ He exaggerated the United States’ trade deficit with China as $500 billion (it was about $336 billion in 2017).

■ He exaggerated the United States’ trade deficit with the European Union as $151 billion (it is $101 billion).

■ He claimed that North Korea has stopped nuclear testing and has blown up test sites (North Korea blew up one site, but independent analysts have yet to verify that the destruction was complete).

■ He falsely claimed military spending by NATO members was “going down” before he became president (spending began to increase before Mr. Trump took office).

■ He misleadingly claimed that Germany imports up to 70 percent of its energy from Russia (Germany relies on Russia for natural gas, but gets just 9 percent of their total energy from Russia).

Sources: Defense Manpower Data Center, NATO, The New York Times, Politico, ITV














 

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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 06:08:19 PM »
The mopes lecturing. you are cultist liars and losers.

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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2018, 06:17:11 PM »
And I get lectures on honor?   
hey dalib,
you are a known liar.
and you are not the potus
period.
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2018, 06:18:49 PM »
Is Trump a known liar?  True or false?
Does being POTUS excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no? 
(This should be good.)

And if being POTUS excuses lying, does it also excuse stealing?  Money laundering? 

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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2018, 06:45:58 PM »
Is Trump a known liar?  True or false?
Does being POTUS excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no? 
(This should be good.)

And if being POTUS excuses lying, does it also excuse stealing?  Money laundering?
Ask barry....

1. "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it." This was such an egregious lie that even left-wing PolitiFact dubbed it as the "Lie of the Year" in 2013: (emphasis bolded)

The Affordable Care Act tried to allow existing health plans to continue under a complicated process called "grandfathering," which basically said insurance companies could keep selling plans if they followed certain rules.

The problem for insurers was that the Obamacare rules were strict. If the plans deviated even a little, they would lose their grandfathered status. In practice, that meant insurers canceled plans that didn’t meet new standards.

Obama’s team seemed to understand that likelihood. U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced the grandfathering rules in June 2010 and acknowledged that some plans would go away. Yet Obama repeated "if you like your health care plan, you can keep it" when seeking re-election last year.

In other words, Obamacare's mandates and regulations caused insurance plans to cover benefits that a lot of people didn't want or need, contributing to the rise in premiums while pushing people off their insurance and onto Medicaid or the nightmare that is the Obamacare exchanges.

2. "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." Just like his broken promise about being able to keep their insurance plans, this was a lie that Obama repeated numerous times:



It goes without saying that when people lose their insurance, they likely lose their doctor as well. Even the Obamacare website scrubbed any reference to the lie about being able to keep your doctor.

3. Obama promised repeatedly that premiums would decline by $2,500 per year under Obamacare.



The opposite has happened, as premiums have skyrocketed under Obamacare.

4. Obama claimed that Obamacare wouldn't worsen the deficit. "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits," Obama lied in his 2009 State of the Union address.



The Daily Wire has previously reported that Obamacare will "result in trillion-dollar deficits in seven years' time" and that the "Congressional Budget Office warned that the debt could be as high as $30 trillion by 2030, with Obamacare being one of the driving factors behind that increase."

5. Obama pledged not to raise taxes on middle class families. "I can make a firm pledge," Obama said on the campaign trail in 2008. "Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."



Obamacare easily broke this pledge; in 2014 Americans for Tax Reform noted that these five Obamacare taxes would harm the middle class the most:

Putting a cap of $2,500 on Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs).
Increasing the tax-deductible threshold for high medical costs from 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income to 10 percent of adjusted gross income.
Preventing Americans from using money saved in FSAs or Health-Savings Accounts (HSAs) toward "over-the-counter medicines."
The individual mandate.
A ten percent tax on using indoor tanning services.
6. Obamacare was sold as a plan to reduce emergency room visits. PolitiFact examined Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price's statement that the American people were told that Obamacare would reduce emergency room visits, but Obamacare "did just the opposite." The leftist "fact-checker" quoted Obama asserting at a 2009 town hall that "one of the areas where we can potentially see some saving is" through "reducing the amount of emergency room care." A more definitive statement from Obama saying that emergency room visits would decline under Obamacare came from a September 2010 question and answer session:

And by the way, that should save us all a lot of money. I mean, one of the toughest things about this health care debate was--and sometimes I fault myself for not having been able to make the case more clearly to the country--we spend--each of us who have health insurance spend about a thousand dollars of our premiums on somebody else's care.

What happens is, you don't have health insurance, you go to the emergency room. You weren't getting a checkup; something that might have been curable with some antibiotics isn't caught. By the time you get to the hospital, it's much more expensive. The hospital cares for you because doctors and nurses, they don't want to just turn somebody away. But they've got to figure out how do they keep their doors open if they're treating all these people coming into the emergency room.

Well, what they do is they essentially pass on those costs in the form of higher premiums to the people who do have health insurance. And so we are already providing these subsidies, but it's the most inefficient possible subsidy we could provide. We're a lot better off if we are making sure that everybody is getting preventive care, we're encouraging wellness programs where people have access to doctors up front.

And that's why we feel pretty confident that over the long term, as a consequence of the Affordable Care Act, premiums are going to be lower than they would be otherwise; health care costs overall are going to be lower than they would be otherwise. And that means, by the way, that the deficit is going to be lower than it would be otherwise.

Even PolitiFact had to admit that there was no evidence that Obamacare reduced emergency room visits; studies and surveys clearly showed either little change or an increase in emergency room visits under Obamacare:

• May 2015: A survey of more than 2,000 emergency-room physicians by the American College of Emergency Physicians asked whether the volume of patients in their emergency room had dropped or risen after the law took effect. The results: 28 percent said it had "increased greatly" and 47 percent said it had "increased slightly." Combined, that means three-quarters of emergency room doctors saw an increase.

• February 2016: A study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention looked at the change in emergency room use between 2013 (which was largely before the law) and 2014 (which was largely after the law took effect). "ER use overall has not changed significantly after the first full year of ACA implementation," the report concludes.

• August 2016: A study in the journal Annals of Emergency Medicine looked at emergency room use in Illinois by adults between 2011 and 2015, separating out patterns of visits before and after the law took effect. The study found that emergency room visits in the state "increased after ACA health insurance expansion. ... A large post-ACA increase in Medicaid visits and a modest increase in privately insured visits outpaced a large reduction in (emergency room) visits by uninsured patients."

PolitiFact rated Price's statement as "Mostly True" because he "overstated the case slightly, but he's basically correct," which makes no sense – if "he's basically correct," then Price should have received a "True" rating.

7. Obamacare's exchanges were sold as being a competitive marketplace. "We'll do this by creating a new insurance exchange — a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at a competitive price," Obama said in September 2009. "Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers."

But as the Daily Wire has previously written:

Seven states have only one insurer providing insurance through Obamacare due to the fact that major insurers like Blue Cross Blue Shield, United Healthcare and Aetna are all leaving the exchanges because of unsustainability. As a result, there has been less competition throughout the Obamacare exchanges, contributing to the rise of premiums and deductibles and less consumer choice.

On the seventh anniversary on Obamacare, remember that these broken promises are a reflection of the disaster that the law has brought to the healthcare sector and the lives of millions of Americans. It also further underscores the need for full repeal; anything less would be failure.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/14725/7-key-promises-obamacare-broke-aaron-bandler
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2018, 07:31:40 PM »
I asked you if Trump is a known liar, true or false.
Ask Barry doesn't qualify as an answer.
Again, is Trump a known liar, true or false?  ::)

And I asked you if being POTUS excuses lying, stealing or money laundering?  Yes or no?
You are the one who brought up POTUS, not me.   ::)
(I told you this was going to be good.)   ;D
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2018, 10:51:01 PM »
I asked you if Trump is a known liar, true or false.
Ask Barry doesn't qualify as an answer.
Again, is Trump a known liar, true or false?  ::)

And I asked you if being POTUS excuses lying, stealing or money laundering?  Yes or no?
You are the one who brought up POTUS, not me.   ::)
(I told you this was going to be good.)   ;D
please show a potus that has not lied.
thank you in advance!

PS.  flyboy you still have not honored your
bet and your word.
when will you be leaving this forum for ever?
people do want to know if you will honor your word?
Sometimes I think it's a shame,
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2018, 11:02:57 PM »
That's not what I asked you.
I asked you if Trump has lied, yes or no.
You still refuse to answer.
I'll try again.
Has Trump told lies, yes or no?
Does being Potus excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no?
(I told you all this would be good!)    ;D

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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2018, 11:14:53 PM »
That's not what I asked you.
I asked you if Trump has lied, yes or no.
You still refuse to answer.
I'll try again.
Has Trump told lies, yes or no?
Does being Potus excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no?
(I told you all this would be good!)    ;D
Answer my question.
flyboy you still have not honored your
bet and your word.
when will you be leaving this forum for ever?
people do want to know if you will honor your bet!
Sometimes I think it's a shame,
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2018, 11:24:18 PM »
Re: Only stupid people pay tax.
« Reply #156 on: October 04, 2016, 09:32:57 PM »

Quote from: flyboy on October 04, 2016, 05:02:28 PM
Yep, agree, that shriveling, angry demographic of 50-something, non-college educated, white men.  Of which you belong to.  They're motivated.  But the numbers just aren't there.  This isn't 1986.  Demographics have shifted.  The Latino vote is swelling, while yours is dwindling.  Romney could not do it even with better numbers from blacks and Hispanics.  tRump has a long way to catch up even to Romney.  And tRump has angered white, suburban soccer moms who traditionally favor republicans.  They are shifting.  Even George Bush Sr. supports Clinton. 
Tell you what, Mr. Expert. If Trump wins, I will quit this forum forever on Nov. 9th.  Will you do the same if Trump loses?
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2018, 11:55:30 AM »
Answer my question.

Not so fast, junior.  I started this thread.  I was first to ask a question. You
still won't answer it.
  You're really looking weak here.  Your efforts to distract
and deflect are an Epic Fail. 

I'll ask once again.
Is Trump a known liar?  True or false?
Does being POTUS excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no? 
(This should be good.)

And if being POTUS excuses lying, does it also excuse stealing?  Money laundering?

(I told you all this was going to be good!)  ;D 
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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2018, 12:53:12 PM »
I'll ask once again.
Is Trump a known liar?  True or false?
Does being POTUS excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no? 
(This should be good.)

And if being POTUS excuses lying, does it also excuse stealing?  Money laundering?

(I told you all this was going to be good!
--Am I allowed to answer these?

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Re: World's biggest liar in overdrive
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2018, 01:45:39 PM »
Is Trump a known liar?  True or false?
Does being POTUS excuse repeated lying?  Yes or no? 
(This should be good.)

And if being POTUS excuses lying, does it also excuse stealing?  Money laundering?

You're slipping. On one thread you're suggesting that cult follower Caroline wouldn't have sex with her cult leader and here you are demanding truth from pathological liar/cult follower Shit Hook.

These are sociopaths. They have no shame, and no concept of their own stupidity.

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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2018, 03:51:06 PM »
These are sociopaths. They have no shame, and no concept of their own stupidity.
says libass who might have  Dissociative identity disorder (DID).A severe condition in which two or more distinct identities, or personality states, are present in—and alternately take control of—an individual. Some people describe this as an experience of possession. The person also experiences memory loss that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness. Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a severe condition in which two or more distinct identities, or personality states, are present in—and alternately take control of—an individual. Some people describe this as an experience of possession. The person also experiences memory loss that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness.
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