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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2018, 06:23:01 PM »
You have no idea that everyone knows you're just making up this shit. You spend the 4th exactly the same way you have spend every day for the past 10 years. This is your life 24/7 365 and just like every other excrement stained online malcontent you blame that pathetic life on everyone but yourself. Your unhappiness oozes from every post you make. You fool nobody you lonely twisted misanthropic puss filled cunt.
hey libass.
your alter ego is out of control again.
take charge, libass!
the evidence is right in front of our eyes in dozens of ways
that Trump is compromised and/or working for Vladimir Putin

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2018, 07:47:01 PM »
--Question for you, "SpaceCadet": If someone self-identifies as a Christian, do you feel that is within your (or anyone else's) right to declare that that person is not a Christian?

(I implore everyone here to pay careful attention to his answer as it will inevitaby reveal him as the fraud that he is.)

Answer for you, "Christian".  Yes, I can judge based on the person's behavior, quite simply.

I may claim to be a writer, or a musician, but if I never sit down and write anything or practice my instrument, I'm not really either.  I may claim to love children, or my wife, but my behavior will show whether or not I really do.

Of course, it may be different for "Catholics".  I don't know what their expectations are.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2018, 10:55:22 PM »
Please show some examples of these people who actually lost their health insurance because of President Trump.
Every time I answer one of your grossly uninformed challenges, you disappear without paying the check.  Who are you to make demands of me?  Get yourself a tutor or do some reading for once.  BTW, the mandate was repealed.   ::)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-is-trading-13-million-peoples-health-care-for-corporate-tax-cuts/2017/11/15/bfe59248-ca49-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html?utm_term=.94205fbe2516
The GOP is trading 13 million people’s health care for corporate tax cuts
 
The HealthCare.gov website. (Mike Segar/Reuters)
By Nicholas Bagley
November 15, 2017
Nicholas Bagley is a professor of law at the University of Michigan Law School.

To finesse the tricky politics and brutal math of tax reform, Senate Republicans say that they want to repeal the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate. For Republicans, repeal would be a trifecta: a blow to Obamacare, a money-saver for the federal government and a way to finance a permanent cut to the corporate tax rate.

Republicans are right about all of this. What they haven't highlighted, however, are the trade-offs: the estimated 13 million people who will lose insurance if the mandate is repealed. Is the country really better off if millions of people forgo medical care, and millions more go bankrupt, so that corporations can pay lower taxes? That's not a rhetorical question. Those are the stakes of the game.

Under the rules for budget reconciliation — the procedural mechanism that Republicans want to use to avoid a Democratic filibuster — the tax reform bill can't raise the deficit after an initial 10-year period. To make the corporate tax cuts permanent, they will have to be offset by spending reductions or other tax increases.


The trouble is that cutting the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent — which is the Republican goal — is wildly expensive. Finding politically acceptable offsets has proved difficult, and Republicans are scrounging under couch cushions for loose change to make the numbers work.

There's a lot of loose change in health care because the federal government subsidizes most forms of health insurance. If you're covered through your employer, you get a big tax break. If you buy health insurance on the exchanges, the federal government probably picks up part of the tab. And if you're on Medicare or Medicaid, the taxpayer covers most of your medical bills.

Taking insurance away from people is, thus, an effective way to save the federal government money. Which brings us to the mandate. The mandate is a tax penalty levied against people who refuse to get insurance. The goal is to encourage people to get covered before they get sick. Healthy people might otherwise go without, confident that they can buy insurance if and when they need it.


But opting out creates a problem: If lots of healthy people refuse to get coverage, those who keep their insurance will overall be sicker. Because a group of relatively sick people will have higher medical costs than a group of relatively healthy people, insurers will have to charge more for coverage. That drives up the price of insurance for everyone.

The individual mandate counteracts the problem by encouraging healthy people to sign up. Spreading risk across the entire population keeps insurance premiums in check, which allows people who might otherwise have been priced out of the market to afford coverage.

The whole point of the mandate, then, is to expand the number of people with federally subsidized insurance, which naturally increases federal spending. By the same token, eliminating the mandate would reduce federal spending — but only because fewer people will have insurance. Repeal may sound costless, but it's really a covert way to slash billions of dollars in spending on health care for the poor and disadvantaged.


This isn't controversial. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the federal government will save $338 billion over 10 years if the mandate is repealed, but 13 million people will lose coverage. You can flyspeck the projections, but the broader point, as the CBO reports, stands: "Despite the uncertainty, some effects of this policy are clear: For instance, the federal deficit would be many billions of dollars lower than under current law, and the number of uninsured people would be millions higher."

To make that more palatable, Republicans want to pair repeal with a promise to pass a bipartisan bill backed by Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.). Among other things, the Alexander-Murray bill would restore Obamacare funding — the cost-sharing reductions — that President Trump abruptly terminated last month.

But Alexander-Murray needs Democratic votes to pass, and Democrats won't gain much by cutting a deal. Elimination of the cost-sharing money has proven less disruptive than originally feared; indeed, because of canny decisions by state insurance commissioners and the complex financial machinery of the Affordable Care Act, many consumers have found better deals on the exchanges than they have in the past. That may partly explain why nearly 1.5 million people have enrolled in new Obamacare plans in the first two weeks of open enrollment — a 45 percent increase over last year.

So there won't be any grand bargain. The trade-off here is both simple and brutal: Republicans want to pay for a permanent corporate tax by taking insurance from millions of people. Is that who we are as a nation?


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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2018, 11:02:05 PM »
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/8/16623154/cbo-obamacare-individual-mandate-new-baseline

CBO: 13 million more uninsured if you repeal Obamacare’s individual mandate
Premiums would increase by 10 percent.
By Dylan Scott@dylanlscottdylan.scott@vox.com  Nov 8, 2017, 4:50pm EST

Repealing Obamacare’s individual mandate would lead to 13 million fewer Americans having health insurance and save the federal government $338 billion in the next 10 years.

The numbers come from a new report from the Congressional Budget Office, which re-scored the repeal as Republicans consider including it in their tax reform proposal as a means of saving money — and striking a blow to the health care law they’ve campaigned against but haven’t quite been able to undo. (President Trump is also reportedly considering an executive order that would defang the mandate.)

Four million more Americans would be uninsured in 2019, the first of the mandate’s repeal, with the uninsured figure increasing over the next decade to 13 million in 2027.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2018, 11:05:26 PM »
So, you use an OPINION piece as an example??

All this states is what could happen, not what has happened.

The one and only reason you care about what happens to Obamacare is because you are using it.

The biggest flaw with Obamacare, as I have stated all along, is to force people to buy health insurance. It didn't work the and it won't work now.

Unless you can show actual examples of real people who actually had their health insurance taken away, you are just fishing.

Desperate and pitiful, that's all you. Liberals are!!
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2018, 03:52:55 AM »
Yes...
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2018, 08:44:13 AM »
you're so full of hate you have to have a sock to help you with it.
I'm no sock. I'm just one more person who sees you for exactly what you are. A bitter and twisted lonely malcontent whose whole world consists of nothing but posting bull shit 24/7 365 in an online forum consisting of 6 other posters. You're having a mirror held up to you and you're telling your reflection that she's a hateful cunt.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2018, 09:03:30 AM »
hey libass.
your alter ego is out of control again.
take charge, libass!
At least the time you spend responding to Caroline's reflection is time you're not spending sending out yet more unsolicited pornographic emails.  Your family must be so proud.  The sooner you're doxxed the better. Perhaps a little sunlight will help disinfect your maleficent grubbiness.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2018, 10:11:09 AM »
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.

Oh wow, I guess you really showed me! (by quoting one single word of my response) 🙄

BTW, speaking of hypocrisy, I thought you regarded your religion as the absolute truth.  Hypocrisy?

The only thing that's been "demanded" is that all people be treated with respect and equal rights, and that you not be overly concerned with other people's genitals.  It comes as a shock to no one that you are so resistant to that.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2018, 10:18:31 AM »
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.
What hypocrisy ???
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2018, 10:52:19 AM »
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.

BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.  The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2018, 10:53:52 AM »
BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.  The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.

That will happen.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2018, 01:13:16 PM »
Oh wow, I guess you really showed me! (by quoting one single word of my response)
--It was the only word that answered my question.

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BTW, speaking of hypocrisy, I thought you regarded your religion as the absolute truth.
--I do.

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Hypocrisy?
--What am I missing here? Are you under the impression that you just made a point?

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The only thing that's been "demanded" is that all people be treated with respect and equal rights,
--Now we're getting somewhere. So I guess agree that I should have the right to call a man a man and a woman a woman according to the laws of biology. Thank you.

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and that you not be overly concerned with other people's genitals.  It comes as a shock to no one that you are so resistant to that.
--I'm not at all concerned with other peoples genitals. They're welcome to treat them as they wish. On the other hand, there are people out there who are so obsessed with the genitals of others that they will pay to have them molested and than demand that the rest of the world bow to the fantasy that the victim has changed his or her gender. If you want to go after the genitally obsessed - those are your people.
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2018, 01:18:51 PM »
BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.
--The "SCOTUS problem" is being remedied as we speak, After today there will be only four more aspects of it in need of resolution (and that could start happening relatively soon).

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The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.
--If enough of them had the nerve to amend the Constitution that they so detest. I don't see it happening but even if it did, it would still have to be ratified by the states. Good luck with that.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2018, 01:21:38 PM »
--The "SCOTUS problem" is being remedied as we speak, After today there will be only four more aspects of it in need of resolution (and that could start happening relatively soon).
--If enough of them had the nerve to amend the Constitution that they so detest. I don't see it happening but even if it did, it would still have to be ratified by the states. Good luck with that.

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.