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Happy 4th of July?
« on: July 04, 2018, 12:05:37 PM »
One of the only 4ths, perhaps the only one, when I haven't felt like displaying the flag.  We've failed, at least for now, in spectacular fashion.  But history does not proceed in a straight line.  I trust that we will work past this.

Beyond the current difficulties, I respect and understand the reasons some segments of our population may never feel pride in this nation, and I will not tell them they are wrong.  But consider that the ideas set forth in the Declaration were aspirational, not a statement of how things would necessarily be from the beginning.  We have continually failed to live up to those aspirations, but we have moved closer to them over time.  Despite the darker parts of our history and national character, we debate the building of a wall to prevent too many people from coming here, not to keep people in.  This was the first Western society to be founded on Enlightenment ideals, to set up a government without a hereditary monarchy, or an oligarchy, or a theocracy.  A government of the people, by the people.  Although it currently more resembles a government of the people, by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs, it is up to us to get involved and stay involved to change it.

Each 4th of July is an opportunity for us to rededicate ourselves to realizing the founding principles of this country.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2018, 12:37:13 PM »
Don't worry.  We are jazzed enough this holiday for all of us.    Funny though.> Even when the Kenyan Prince man-child president was squatting in our white house, we always managed a great holiday without moaning and bitching.  Even had fireworks.


AT least you are resigned to the fact you can't beat up your fellow americans because they have different political views than you.  I can guarantee that your fellow conservatives are more patriotic and level headed than the socialist arm of the democrat party.

 But I have to ask....did you ever get upset as democrats made their families political royalty with entitlement to any office but especially office of the presidency?   Did you wring your hands in despair then?

bTW...How is your kid doing?

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 12:39:52 PM »
oh...and THESE are the kinds of people we need a secure border against.

Crickets from the abolish ICE crowd.

https://wach.com/news/nation-world/nationwide-manhunt-for-3-non-us-citizens-accused-of-raping-2-ohio-teens

Via WACH:


There is a nationwide manhunt for three men accused of raping two Ohio teenagers.

Police say the men kidnapped the sisters, who are 13 and 14 years old, and took them to a hotel in Bowling Green, Ohio and raped them.

Doctors alerted police when the girls’ mother took them to the emergency room.

The men are not United States citizens and investigators believe they left the area.

The names of the three men are David Ramos Contreras, Rios Adiel and Arnuflo Ramos. Juan Garcia has already been arrested and charged with being part of the crime.
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2018, 12:50:02 PM »

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2018, 12:58:37 PM »
what are you guys doing today. I"m in my kitchen doing some last minute dishes for the bunch.   pool open, 12 acres of fun, but HOT as a firecracker.   family and friends and kids.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2018, 01:21:58 PM »
Don't worry.  We are jazzed enough this holiday for all of us.    Funny though.> Even when the Kenyan Prince man-child president was squatting in our white house, we always managed a great holiday without moaning and bitching.  Even had fireworks.


AT least you are resigned to the fact you can't beat up your fellow americans because they have different political views than you.  I can guarantee that your fellow conservatives are more patriotic and level headed than the socialist arm of the democrat party.

 But I have to ask....did you ever get upset as democrats made their families political royalty with entitlement to any office but especially office of the presidency?   Did you wring your hands in despair then?

bTW...How is your kid doing?

It's a fairly lengthy recovery, but she's doing well, recovering faster so far than was expected.  People have commented on her Facebook page that they've never seen anyone look so happy following a surgery.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2018, 02:43:21 PM »
glad she's doing well.

here's something you can be thankful for...that you live in a time and a place where this can be done and accepted by many people. Things could be a lot worse for  your child.  Think of the blessing that all this means to you.
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2018, 03:30:39 PM »
glad she's doing well.

here's something you can be thankful for...that you live in a time and a place where this can be done and accepted by many people. Things could be a lot worse for  your child.  Think of the blessing that all this means to you.

It didn't happen without a lot of effort.  It's taken a decade-long battle against the more conservative aspects of our society to get here.  It WAS a lot worse 10 years ago, when she first began simply presenting herself publicly as something other than stereotypically male, which was enough to enrage the conservative community in which we lived at the time.  Many people tried to have her kicked out of the school by the administration.  That failed, but she was ostracized to the point that we ended up having to relocate to a more liberal community.

My wife formed an advocacy organization for transgender youth and has spent the past 10 years working with many other advocates to improve the situation.  My child is one of the first few to undergo this surgery after having been on puberty blocking medications, so they are pushing the further development of medical science in this area.

So I am thankful for my wife, the many other advocates, and for the medical professionals who have worked hard to improve the lives of these children.  But thankful to the conservative religious Victorian parts of this country?  Not so much.  They've made much of the last 10 years Hell for us.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2018, 04:05:17 PM »
well of course, I can't address that because I don't know what they did to you.  I just know that here where I live, we have homosexuals, lesbians and quite frankly I don't know if we have trans or not.  I don't think I've run into any knowingly.

I have had homosexual clients as well as lesbian clients and I treated them the same as I would anyone.   Some of them I developed close relationships with as a friend.   and still care for them.

I know that Christians in my area don't aggressively attack anyone of any claimed or perceived gender.    I don't hate someone in that situation.
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2018, 06:14:05 PM »
Maybe one of these days, your son will get well, SC.

He has a better chance here than anywhere else in the world.
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2018, 07:32:48 PM »
Maybe one of these days, your son will get well, SC.

He has a better chance here than anywhere else in the world.

Because the mental health care system in the US is so stellar?
 ::)

You're ridiculous, and in a completely predictable, even comical, way.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 03:49:09 AM »
Because the mental health care system in the US is so stellar?
 ::)

You're ridiculous, and in a completely predictable, even comical, way.

So you think your son is mentally ill?

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2018, 09:24:22 AM »
well of course, I can't address that because I don't know what they did to you.  I just know that here where I live, we have homosexuals, lesbians and quite frankly I don't know if we have trans or not.  I don't think I've run into any knowingly

I have had homosexual clients as well as lesbian clients and I treated them the same as I would anyone.   Some of them I developed close relationships with as a friend.   and still care for them.

I know that Christians in my area don't aggressively attack anyone of any claimed or perceived gender.    I don't hate someone in that situation.

As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.

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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2018, 09:29:44 AM »
As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.

I didn't intend to lump MSP in with the rest of them, just in case that impression came across.
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Re: Happy 4th of July?
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2018, 10:05:57 AM »
I didn't intend to lump MSP in with the rest of them, just in case that impression came across.

I don't think any conservative or Christian would face to face be rude to your child or you.   I know this has been tough for all of you. I think the problem arises from radical activist homosexuals and transgenders.   I believe a lot of homosexuals, lesbians and transgenders would like to live in peace and quiet.    INdeed I knew a couple of old 'aunties' if you'll forgive the expression.   Two aging homosexual men who loved their home and decorating and they loved giving teas for their lady friends of which I happened to be one.   They were sweet and charming and would have been appalled and embarrassed at where this movement has gone with it's brazen nude ugly parades in San Francisco areas for instance.

I don't have a problem with Jazz Jennings...but I do have a problem with Jeanette.   Do you know her?   I feel that she is less interested in her daughter's problems with her situation than she is with the politics of it.  THAT is the impression I get from her on I am Jazz. She whips her family into compliance.