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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2018, 07:29:03 PM »
what has Trump "given" away?

1 -a propaganda bonanza.. a meeting with a US president which NK has wanted for decades, which gives the murderous dictator propaganda for home.
2- an apparent promise to not conduct joint SK - US military exercises

back at you - what has he gotten from this photo op?
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2018, 07:31:45 PM »
looks like this notion of not doing joint SK - US exercises came from none other than Putin himself.. from the WSJ

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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2018, 07:51:04 PM »
1 -a propaganda bonanza.. a meeting with a US president which NK has wanted for decades, which gives the murderous dictator propaganda for home.
2- an apparent promise to not conduct joint SK - US military exercises

back at you - what has he gotten from this photo op?
have not stopped any military exercises yet.
Will wait and see what Kim does
if Kim does not give us what we
want, ANY deal is off.
period.
pepsi.
do not be so pessimistic.
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2018, 07:58:40 PM »
1 -a propaganda bonanza.. a meeting with a US president which NK has wanted for decades, which gives the murderous dictator propaganda for home.
2- an apparent promise to not conduct joint SK - US military exercises

back at you - what has he gotten from this photo op?

would you be happier if we gave him another 5 billion?

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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2018, 08:12:52 PM »
have not stopped any military exercises yet.
Will wait and see what Kim does
if Kim does not give us what we
want, ANY deal is off.
period.
pepsi.
do not be so pessimistic.

I'm being realistic.  Trump got nothing.  He sucks at deal making.
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2018, 08:23:35 PM »
Obama negotiated a complex nuclear treaty with Iran.  Trump posed for a selfie.  ~Borowitz
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2018, 08:29:29 PM »
What a fucking joke

It sure looks as if President Trump was hoodwinked in Singapore.

Trump made a huge concession — the suspension of military exercises with South Korea. That’s on top of the broader concession of the summit meeting itself, security guarantees he gave North Korea and the legitimacy that the summit provides his counterpart, Kim Jong-un.

Within North Korea, the “very special bond” that Trump claimed to have formed with Kim will be portrayed this way: Kim forced the American president, through his nuclear and missile tests, to accept North Korea as a nuclear equal, to provide security guarantees to North Korea, and to cancel war games with South Korea that the North has protested for decades.

In exchange for these concessions, Trump seems to have won astonishingly little. In a joint statement, Kim merely “reaffirmed” the same commitment to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula that North Korea has repeatedly made since 1992.

“They were willing to de-nuke,” Trump crowed at his news conference after his meetings with Kim. Trump seemed to believe he had achieved some remarkable agreement, but the concessions were all his own.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/opinion/trump-kim-summit-north-korea.html
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2018, 08:35:26 PM »
Obama negotiated a complex nuclear treaty with Iran.  Trump posed for a selfie.  ~Borowitz
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2018, 08:52:45 PM »
That's a good a guess as any as to this train wreck diplomacy where Trump gives everything away and gets nothing in return.

Even Chris Wallace noted that we got nothing.

#fakepresident loves murderous dictators.

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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2018, 09:43:50 PM »
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2018, 10:00:59 PM »
you lefties are fucked up
beyond belief.

The agreement with Iran included denuclearization with inspections.   Sorry republicans didn't like it because Obama did it.   Trump got zero commitments.  Truth hurts I guess?
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2018, 10:20:07 PM »
The agreement with Iran included denuclearization with inspections.   Sorry republicans didn't like it because Obama did it.   Trump got zero commitments.  Truth hurts I guess?
Iran got 150 billion.
plus after so much time they
can continue.
not TOTAL denuclearization.
barry got played.
pepsi,
this is just the very first
meeting.
do not be so silly.
it will take time, most likely
years to verify and disarm.
if they fail in any way, the sanctions
will continue .
you should be happy for
the entire world.
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2018, 10:29:31 PM »
The agreement with Iran included denuclearization with inspections.   Sorry republicans didn't like it because Obama did it.   Trump got zero commitments.  Truth hurts I guess?

Schumer came out against the deal about a month before the Senate voted on the measure. In a statement, he said he would vote against the deal for three reasons:

• The U.S. could not unilaterally demand inspections of Iran’s nuclear sites at any time.

• Iran would have more resources to develop nuclear weapons after a decade of lighter sanctions, Schumer argued. As we’ve rated before, Iran was not free to build nuclear weapons after a decade.

• Iran would also have more money to expand its influence in the region. The U.S. State Department has labeled the country a state sponsor of terrorism.

Schumer wanted to keep the sanctions on Iran and pursue a different path to denuclearization.

"I believe Iran will not change, and under this agreement it will be able to achieve its dual goals of eliminating sanctions while ultimately retaining its nuclear and non-nuclear power," Schumer said.

A few days after his break with Obama, Schumer said the U.S. "should go back and try to get a better deal."

http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2018/may/24/donald-trump/schumer-once-opposed-iran-nuclear-deal-he-now-supp/
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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2018, 11:07:16 PM »
The agreement with Iran included denuclearization with inspections.   Sorry republicans didn't like it because Obama did it.   Trump got zero commitments.  Truth hurts I guess?


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Re: So what did we gain with meeting the NK dictator?
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2018, 11:25:50 PM »
from san Diego unionTribune..i would HARDLY call them conservative.  read it yourself.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-north-korea-obama-past-presidents-20170810-htmlstory.html

President Barack Obama

Obama had to deal with a nuclear test by North Korea in mid-2009. The U.N. Security Council quickly adopted sanctions banning arms transfers to and from the country.

Obama sent an envoy to North Korea at the end of the year, asking leader Kim Jong Il to begin denuclearization talks, but his regime didn’t make any major moves toward pursuing them.

Some more progress was made in 2012 when new leader Kim Jong Un agreed to halt nuclear tests in exchange for food aid.

North Korea’s pursuit of nuclear weapons continued, however.

Obama’s administration put the ball in North Korea’s court by outlining conditions it required before diplomatic negotiations could occur, but Jong Un’s regime has maintained for years that its nuclear program is necessary for defense.

He went as far as to threaten the “military might” of the U.S. in 2014 as debates over true capabilities of the North continued.

Last September, after yet another nuclear test, Obama said the U.N. and members of the original “Six-Party Talks” would “vigorously implement” those resolutions and that there were “consequences” for North Korea’s actions.

Before Obama left office, the U.S. led the U.N. Security Council to imposed sanctions on North Korea in November meant to slash its coal exports by 60 percent.

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