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Re: Elimination of the free trade agreements brings back JOBS
« Reply #90 on: October 22, 2017, 05:01:53 PM »
Gee, what a surprise that you mindlessly post Steve Gannon long discredited disinformation from a Rupert Murdoch cult propaganda source. You are clueless.
--I just had some reasonable doubts about someone claiming to be DougRich. I'm not counting out the possibility that it's actually him. On the contrary, he speaks more like DougRich than "SpaceCadet" speaks like SpaceCadet. I'm just trying to protect people's reputations.  I don't know anything about "Steve Gannon" or any "long discredited disinformation from a Rupert Murdoch cult propaganda source."   

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« Reply #91 on: October 22, 2017, 07:17:41 PM »
First you quote Hawking and mispronounce his name as "Hawkins," to support your voodoo when he does just the opposite:   "these particles can be viewed as having been created from the energy. And that required energy is not "nothing."  What part of "required" do you not understand? 
have you ever heard of a typo?

anyway dumbass,
I showed you two different quotes from two of the most brilliant minds and they TOTALLY disagree with you, a known liar and wannabe
know-it-all.

sorry flyboy,
I'm going with the guys who's job is to unravel the mysteries of our Universe. not a big time loser named flyboy.

LOL!  Then right in front of your nose, which you declined to boldface and ignore, he says "Because there is a law like gravity.."  Gravity is not nothing.  It's potential energy.  He is speaking of the absence of matter as "nothing," not the absence of everything, which includes energy. 

Would you please stop pretending to know what you're talking about.  Star systems can collapse into a single point you can call nothing, the non-existence of matter, akin to a spring compressed to its limit, but the spring then rebounds.  The point being, that the energy to compress the spring had to be there to begin with (in the comic case, gravity.)  You can believe that a pop fly ball moves all by itself once it slows down to zero velocity and begins it's trajectory downward, but that is not to say there was no batter supplying it with kinetic energy to begin with.  You're way out of your league here and looking silly.

it is you flyboy who does not comprehend.

once again for you flyboy:

The Presumptions of Hawking and Mlodinow in "The Grand Design "
"Because there is a law like gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.... Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

and,

Dr. Kaku: In Stephen's new book, he says that the Theory of Everything that Einstein spent 30 years of his life chasing is string theory (or its latest incarnation, M-theory).

In string theory, we have a multiverse of universes. Think of our universe as the surface of a soap bubble, which is expanding. We live on the skin of this bubble. But string theory predicts that there should be other bubbles out there, which can collide with other bubbles or even sprout or bud baby bubbles, as in a bubble bath.

But how can an entire universe come out of nothing? This apparently violates the conservation of matter and energy. But there is a simple answer.

Matter, of course, has positive energy. But gravity has negative energy. (For example, you have to add energy to the earth in order to tear it away from the sun. One separated far from the solar system, the earth then has zero gravitational energy. But this means that the original solar system had negative energy.)

If you do the math, you find out that the sum total of matter in the universe can cancel against the sum total of negative gravitational energy, yielding a universe with zero (or close to zero) net matter/energy. So, in some sense, universes are for free. It does not take net matter and energy to create entire universes. In this way, in the bubble bath, bubbles can collide, create baby bubbles, or simple pop into existence from nothing.

This gives us a startling picture of the big bang, that our universe was born perhaps from the collision of two universes (the big splat theory), or sprouted from a parent universe, or simply popped into existence out of nothing. So universes are being created all the time.

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Re: Elimination of the free trade agreements brings back JOBS
« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2017, 09:30:47 AM »
I recently went to Detroit and got to tour a modern factory making engines.    The place was huge, packed with robots and few workers.   
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« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2017, 10:06:39 AM »
It wasn't a typo.  You are totally unfamiliar with Hawking.  That's why you screwed his name up.  First you source him saying "and that is not nothing."  You're too stupid to know that his story was the total opposite of what you are claiming.  Your too stupid to back down. 

First you quote Hawking and mispronounce his name as "Hawkins," to support your voodoo when he does just the opposite:   "these particles can be viewed as having been created from the energy. And that required energy is not "nothing."  What part of "required" do you not understand? 

LOL!  Then right in front of your nose, which you declined to boldface and ignore, he says "Because there is a law like gravity.."  Gravity is not nothing.  It's potential energy.  He is speaking of the absence of matter as "nothing," not the absence of everything, which includes energy.

Give us one example of something coming from nothing.  And explain why it "decides" to create itself at the time that it does come into existence.  You can't.  You won't.   You have no business in this discussion because you have no understanding of basic science.  Do you know what the word "law" means.  As in the 1st law of thermodynamics?  Of course you don't.  Go back to your smut and shut up.


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« Reply #94 on: October 23, 2017, 10:21:32 AM »
Your chickens are coming home to roost

You're allegedly black. What did the cotton gin do to Southern black workers? When they moved North, what happened to them?

Pepsi is about 57 years old. Why do you call them his chickens? This is what happens. This is what has happened since the Industrial Revolution and will continue to happen. This is what allowed you to go onto the internet and change your race. This is also what will change everything, including maybe really changing your race.

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Re: Elimination of the free trade agreements brings back JOBS
« Reply #95 on: October 23, 2017, 10:26:07 AM »
--I just had some reasonable doubts about someone claiming to be DougRich. I'm not counting out the possibility that it's actually him. On the contrary, he speaks more like DougRich than "SpaceCadet" speaks like SpaceCadet. I'm just trying to protect people's reputations.  I don't know anything about "Steve Gannon" or any "long discredited disinformation from a Rupert Murdoch cult propaganda source."   

Who appointed you to be the savior of anything?

I'm sure you know nothing of Steve Bannon. You're incurious so you swallow his Clinton Cash propaganda whole without question, yet you're so worried about the posters behind the usernames.

DougRich's "reputation?" Hahahahahaha. Are you talking about DougRich or Herbaxe or Godwulf or O'Keefe? I always suspected that it was SpaceCadet too. The only thing that threw that off was his apparent technical knowledge, but SpaceCadet and DougRich had the same baby splitting philosophy and the same thin skin.

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« Reply #96 on: October 23, 2017, 10:42:42 AM »
You're allegedly black. What did the cotton gin do to Southern black workers? When they moved North, what happened to them?

Pepsi is about 57 years old. Why do you call them his chickens? This is what happens. This is what has happened since the Industrial Revolution and will continue to happen. This is what allowed you to go onto the internet and change your race. This is also what will change everything, including maybe really changing your race.
Perhaps you should try unionizing these robots.  Tell them they deserve better wages.
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Re: Elimination of the free trade agreements brings back JOBS
« Reply #97 on: October 23, 2017, 11:15:52 AM »
Perhaps you should try unionizing these robots.  Tell them they deserve better wages.

Is that what passes for old white man humor?

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« Reply #98 on: October 23, 2017, 11:29:08 AM »
I recently went to Detroit and got to tour a modern factory making engines.    The place was huge, packed with robots and few workers.   
Obama's bailout did the trick.
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« Reply #99 on: October 23, 2017, 12:08:49 PM »
It wasn't a typo.  You are totally unfamiliar with Hawking.  That's why you screwed his name up.  First you source him saying "and that is not nothing."  You're too stupid to know that his story was the total opposite of what you are claiming.  Your too stupid to back down. 

First you quote Hawking and mispronounce his name as "Hawkins," to support your voodoo when he does just the opposite:   "these particles can be viewed as having been created from the energy. And that required energy is not "nothing."  What part of "required" do you not understand? 

flyboy,
I did not "mispronounce" Hawking, dumbass, I typed a "s" instead of a "g"....wow, stop the presses, news at 11.

LOL!  Then right in front of your nose, which you declined to boldface and ignore, he says "Because there is a law like gravity.."  Gravity is not nothing.  It's potential energy.  He is speaking of the absence of matter as "nothing," not the absence of everything, which includes energy.

Give us one example of something coming from nothing.  And explain why it "decides" to create itself at the time that it does come into existence.  You can't.  You won't.   You have no business in this discussion because you have no understanding of basic science.  Do you know what the word "law" means.  As in the 1st law of thermodynamics?  Of course you don't.  Go back to your smut and shut up.

if you do not agree with Hawking and Dr. Kaku, that is fine with me. I believe them over an internet troll.

The Presumptions of Hawking and Mlodinow in "The Grand Design "

"Because there is a law like gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.... Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

and,

Dr. Kaku: In Stephen's new book, he says that the Theory of Everything that Einstein spent 30 years of his life chasing is string theory (or its latest incarnation, M-theory).

In string theory, we have a multiverse of universes. Think of our universe as the surface of a soap bubble, which is expanding. We live on the skin of this bubble. But string theory predicts that there should be other bubbles out there, which can collide with other bubbles or even sprout or bud baby bubbles, as in a bubble bath.

But how can an entire universe come out of nothing? This apparently violates the conservation of matter and energy. But there is a simple answer.

Matter, of course, has positive energy. But gravity has negative energy. (For example, you have to add energy to the earth in order to tear it away from the sun. One separated far from the solar system, the earth then has zero gravitational energy. But this means that the original solar system had negative energy.)

If you do the math, you find out that the sum total of matter in the universe can cancel against the sum total of negative gravitational energy, yielding a universe with zero (or close to zero) net matter/energy. So, in some sense, universes are for free. It does not take net matter and energy to create entire universes. In this way, in the bubble bath, bubbles can collide, create baby bubbles, or simple pop into existence from nothing.

This gives us a startling picture of the big bang, that our universe was born perhaps from the collision of two universes (the big splat theory), or sprouted from a parent universe, or simply popped into existence out of nothing. So universes are being created all the time.

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Re: Elimination of the free trade agreements brings back JOBS
« Reply #100 on: October 23, 2017, 12:58:10 PM »
Obama's bailout did the trick.

There are two legitimate schools of economic thought. One school of economic thought has no model to explain stagflation. You're an old white guy, so you know about stagflation. You lived through it. Stagflation can happen. It's a condition where you have economic stagnation, no real growth, and inflation. It's not a good place to be, but it's not the worst of all worlds from an economic standpoint.

The other legitimate school of economic thought has no model to describe recession. In that school of economic thought, we can't have recessions and we really cannot have conditions like we were in when President Obama took office. From a technical point of view, which is beyond your grasp, that's where savings exceed investment and we have real interest rates that are negative. Well, we had that condition in 1929 and then we had it at the end of the Bush administration. That condition is the worst of all worlds. Real prices decline because we can produce all kinds of goods and services, but consumers don't have money to buy those goods and services. There is no reason to invest. Even you can understand that if producers can produce goods and services but can't sell those goods and services, there is no reason for them to invest in labor and capital to produce more.

It's the other way around and that makes things even worse. This is a liquidity trap. Conservative economists, to this day, have no model to describe this condition. Yet that is where we were when President Obama took office. Remember?

Do you want to be in denial, like "conservatives?" Do you want tell people to not believe their lying eyes? Why? I'm not going there, and nothing you can say to me that I am not correct. We were staring into the abyss, and things like bailing out the auto industry was the absolute correct policy. In fact we should have spent more, and we would have recovered quicker.  Because the school of economic thought that has the model to describe this condition has the only good answer.

We need to be putting more money in the hands of consumers and what are Republicans wanting to do? They want to take money from average Americans and give more to billionaires. They want to do that more than anything. It's the absolute dumbest thing that they could do, other than nuclear war. Yet here you are mocking President Obama for saving your ass.

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« Reply #101 on: October 23, 2017, 01:24:05 PM »
Looks like those shovel-ready jobs went to robots. 
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« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2017, 02:03:02 PM »

We need to be putting more money in the hands of consumers and what are Republicans wanting to do? They want to take money from average Americans and give more to billionaires. They want to do that more than anything. It's the absolute dumbest thing that they could do, other than nuclear war. Yet here you are mocking President Obama for saving your ass.

libass,
you lie. It is not even law yet.
Republicans are not wanting to take money from average Americans and give more to billionaires.
show us where they are increasing taxes.

The Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee — engaged in a high-pressure, high-stakes tax policy rewrite — are currently exploring not cutting the income tax rate for people who earn $1 million or more per year.

Right now, the marginal tax rate for anyone who makes $418,000 or more per year is 39.6 percent. The Republicans' opening gambit — secretly negotiated for months, and endorsed by Trump — would have cut the highest tax rate to 35 percent.
But now, House Republicans' thinking has changed. Under their current thinking, people who earn between $418,000 and $999,999 will be in a lower tax bracket. But those earning $1 million or more will not.
Opting to keep taxing million-dollar-earners at the current 39.6 percent-rate will help stem the deficit increase from tax cuts for corporations and the middle class.

The Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee — engaged in a high-pressure, high-stakes tax policy rewrite — are currently exploring not cutting the income tax rate for people who earn $1 million or more per year.

Right now, the marginal tax rate for anyone who makes $418,000 or more per year is 39.6 percent. The Republicans' opening gambit — secretly negotiated for months, and endorsed by Trump — would have cut the highest tax rate to 35 percent.
But now, House Republicans' thinking has changed. Under their current thinking, people who earn between $418,000 and $999,999 will be in a lower tax bracket. But those earning $1 million or more will not.

Opting to keep taxing million-dollar-earners at the current 39.6 percent-rate will help stem the deficit increase from tax cuts for corporations and the middle class.
 
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Re: Elimination of the free trade agreements brings back JOBS
« Reply #103 on: October 23, 2017, 02:13:00 PM »
You're allegedly black. What did the cotton gin do to Southern black workers? When they moved North, what happened to them?

Pepsi is about 57 years old. Why do you call them his chickens? This is what happens. This is what has happened since the Industrial Revolution and will continue to happen. This is what allowed you to go onto the internet and change your race. This is also what will change everything, including maybe really changing your race.

I'm not that fucking old..
So let's see how fucking brilliant I truly am.
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« Reply #104 on: October 23, 2017, 03:02:00 PM »
I'm not that fucking old..

Sorry. I aged you. :)