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Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« on: August 10, 2017, 08:52:50 AM »
Since the American Cardinal is playing an ever more important role in defending the Church in the midst of the worse crisis She has ever faced, I thought it would be appropriate to create a thread to log his day to day maneuvers.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2017, 08:55:22 AM »
U.S. cardinal rebukes German cardinal for saying Church should not be concerned about gay ‘marriage’

Aug 9, 2017

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky-- U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke has criticized German Cardinal Reinhard Marx for saying that Germany’s recent legalization of homosexual “marriage” is of no major concern for the Catholic Church in that country.

Burke, one of the Church’s leading canon law experts, spoke about Marx as he outlined how evils now commonly accepted in the West’s “ravaged” culture have managed to infiltrate the Church, passing from the shepherds to the sheep. He made the comments at the July 22 “Church Teaches Forum” in Louisville.

“But, in a diabolical way, the confusion and error which has led human culture in the way of death and destruction has also entered into the Church, so that she draws near to the culture without seeming to know her own identity and mission, without seeming to have the clarity and the courage to announce the Gospel of Life and Divine Love to the radically secularized culture,” he said.

He cited as an example the recent remarks from Cardinal Marx, who is the president of the German bishops’ conference.

In a July 14 interview with Augsburger Allgemeine, Marx said he did not see Germany’s June 30 vote that legalized same-sex “marriage” as a defeat for the Church because developing the concept of marriage and the family was not just a church matter but something that belongs as well to the secular state.

“The Christian position is one thing. It’s another thing to ask if I can make all the Christian moral concepts (state) laws,” he said.

Marx then expressed “regret” that the Church “did nothing to oppose homosexuals from being prosecuted” under laws rescinded in 1994 that criminalized homosexual behavior.

But Burke criticized Marx’s remarks for failing to convey authentic Catholic teaching.

“Clearly, in such an approach, there is no longer the just and necessary distinction between the love which we as Christians must always have for the person involved in sin and the hatred which we also must always have for sinful acts,” he said.

Burke said Church leaders must not back away from their duty of giving the world “solid teaching.”

“The world has never needed more the solid teaching and direction which Our Lord, in His immeasurable and unceasing love of man, wishes to give to the world through His Church and especially through her pastors: the Roman Pontiff, the Bishops in communion with the See of Peter, and their principal co-workers, the priests,” he said.

Burke had high words of praise for another German Cardinal, Joachim Meisner. Meisner was one of the four cardinals who, along with Burke, sent Pope Francis the dubia asking for clarity on Amoris Laetitia. Meisner died last month at 83 still awaiting the clarification.

“Having had the privilege to know Cardinal Meisner somewhat well and to work with him in the defense of the Church’s teaching on Holy Matrimony, Holy Communion and the moral law, I know how much he suffered from the ever-increasing confusion about the Church’s teaching within the Church herself,” Burke said.

“Clearly, he had expressed the same concerns to Pope Benedict XVI, concerns which seemingly were mutual, while at the same time he reaffirmed, as our faith teaches us to do, His trust in Our Lord Who has promised to remain with His Mystical Body ‘all days, even to the consummation of the world,’” he added.

Burke said that when he last spoke with Meisner in March in Cologne he was “serene, but, at the same time, he expressed his determination to continue to fight for Christ and for the truths which He teaches us, in an unbroken line, through the Apostolic Tradition.”

Burke called Meisner’s fidelity to his office of shepherd of the flock a “tremendous source of strength for many other shepherds in the Church who are struggling each day to lead the flock in the way of Christ.”

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2017, 08:58:38 AM »
Cardinal Burke warns against ‘idolatry of the papacy’

Aug 9, 2017

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky -- To treat every word uttered by the Pope as if it were official Church teaching would be to fall into an “idolatry of the papacy,” said Cardinal Raymond Burke in a recent address at a Catholic conference in Kentucky.

The Cardinal, who spoke at the July 22 “Church Teaches Forum” in Louisville, said that Catholics seeking to remain true to Christ and the Church he founded must learn to discern between the “words of the man who is Pope and the words of the Pope as Vicar of Christ on earth.”

“Pope Francis has chosen to speak often in his first body, the body of the man who is Pope. In fact, even in documents which, in the past, have represented more solemn teaching, he states clearly that he is not offering magisterial teaching but his own thinking,” the Cardinal said.

“But those who are accustomed to a different manner of Papal speaking want to make his every statement somehow part of the Magisterium. To do so is contrary to reason and to what the Church has always understood,” he continued.

“It is simply wrong and harmful to the Church to receive every declaration of the Holy Father as an expression of papal teaching or magisterium,” he added.

READ: ‘Confusion and error’ from Catholic leaders may be sign of end times: Cardinal Burke

The Catholic Church holds that a pope teaches infallibly when “in virtue of his office...he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.” The Church also holds that when the pope in the “exercise of the ordinary Magisterium” proposes a teaching that “leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals” the faithful “are to adhere to it with religious assent.” These teachings are found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Burke has previously called the Pope’s controversial 2016 Amoris Laetitia “not an act of the magisterium” but a “personal reflection of the Pope.” The Apostolic Exhortation has been interpreted by various bishops and cardinals as allowing civilly-divorced-and-remarried Catholics living in adultery to receive Holy Communion. Such an interpretation contradicts previous Catholic teaching.

Burke called it “absurd” for anyone to think that Pope Francis as Vicar of Christ on earth could officially “teach something which is not in accord with what his predecessors, for example Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Saint John Paul II, have solemnly taught.”

The Cardinal said that making the distinction between “words of the man who is Pope and the words of the Pope as Vicar of Christ on earth” is crucial for showing “ultimate respect” for the Petrine Office while staying true to the perennial teachings of the Catholic faith.

"Without the distinction, we would easily lose respect for the Papacy or be led to think that, if we do not agree with the personal opinions of the man who is Roman Pontiff, then we must break communion with the Church,” he said.

Any declaration of the Pope, said Burke, must be understood “within the context of the constant teaching and practice of the Church, lest confusion and division about the teaching and practice of the Church enter into her body to the great harm of souls and to the great harm of the evangelization of the world.”

Burke said that Catholics must be diligent not to be led astray by false teaching.

“The faithful are not free to follow theological opinions which contradict the doctrine contained in the Holy Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, and confirmed by the ordinary Magisterium, even if these opinions are finding a wide hearing in the Church and are not being corrected by the Church’s pastors as the pastors are obliged to do,” he said.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2017, 06:20:18 PM »
Mornac you seem to be pleased with Cardinal Burke and I am happy for you.

I am against gay marriage when it purports to be a sacred wedding like straight people have. I think the main reason gays want to marry is to get in on the benefits of being married such as a better tax treatment and some property rights.

If it were not for these legal perks then they could simply live together as many straight people do. We have a couple that is our friends and they simply shack up, so to speak.  It appears that if she were to marry the loser she might lose some of her retirement bennies.  She is a real sweetheart and is still very attractive
for her age where he is nothing but an overweight blowhard.  I think that one reason she sticks with him is that he does not drink where her ex, now deceased, was a heavy drinker.  That is a common problem with older men, unfortunately.

It is  getting hard to find a civil discussion going on with the forum and it is discouraging to scan the topics and see the same damned name appear.  I sometimes post at The Politics Forum, which is better policed and people behave fairly well. The two women, Calypso, and GHQ, also post there and I cannot blame them for not coming here, only to be called filthy names.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 06:23:20 PM »
He answers his own posts!  Talking to himself, a sign of insanity.  ;D

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 09:08:39 PM »
It is  getting hard to find a civil discussion going on with the forum and it is discouraging to scan the topics and see the same damned name appear.  I sometimes post at The Politics Forum, which is better policed and people behave fairly well. The two women, Calypso, and GHQ, also post there and I cannot blame them for not coming here, only to be called filthy names.
--You can have civil discussion easily, ivan. Simply don't expect others to have it. You can only be held responsible for your end of a conversation. If someone else doesn't know hoe to behave, all you can do is ignore the untoward behavior. Ithink most of 'em act that way to provoke a reaction. I never give 'em the satisfaction. I have neither the time for that, nor the inclination. Guess I was raised differently.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 09:10:01 PM »
He answers his own posts!  Talking to himself, a sign of insanity.  ;D
--If you don't mind, "flyboy", ivan and I are trying to have a discussion here. Can't ya go ramble to yourself on another thread where you won't be in the way?

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 09:10:17 AM »
Mornac you seem to be pleased with Cardinal Burke and I am happy for you.

I am against gay marriage when it purports to be a sacred wedding like straight people have.


Why do you think there should not be marriage between people of the same sex?
I invited them to, but it was never compulsory. They usually cheerfully accepted, except for the few occasions where my son chose to lie on the floor instead.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 12:48:29 AM »
CDL. BURKE CALLS OUT APOSTASY AMONG CHURCH LEADERS

Trey Elmore
August 15, 2017 

Makes appeal to pope to restore unity in the midst of fractured Church

DETROIT  - His Eminence Cdl. Raymond Burke is admitting there is apostasy in the Church, and is laying blame squarely at the feet of Church leaders. He also makes a direct call for Pope Francis to restore unity to a divided and fractured Church.

In a recent interview with The Wanderer, the former prefect of the Apostolic Signatura commented on topics like Amoris Laetitia and the dubia, the passing of Cdl. Joachim Meisner and the propagation of false mercy, among others.

When asked if the Church faces the danger of schism, Cdl. Burke spoke to the reality of the current apostasy within the Church and pastors' failure to teach the Church's hard truths:

People talk about a de facto schism. I am absolutely in opposition to any kind of formal schism — a schism can never be correct. People can, however, be living in a schismatic situation if the teaching of Christ has been abandoned. The more appropriate word would be the one Our Lady used in her message of Fatima — apostasy. There can be apostasy within the Church and this, in fact, is what is going on.

Burke continued, "In connection with the apostasy, Our Lady also referred to the failure of pastors to bring the Church to unity."

He admitted that the crisis in the Church has worsened since the publication of Amoris Laetitia, Pope Francis' apostolic exhortation on marriage and the family, a document that has led to worldwide confusion as various dioceses have disagreed on whether to open up Holy Communion to the divorced and civilly remarried — contrary to longstanding Church teaching.

Since the publication of Amoris Laetitia, I find that the situation has only worsened. I often say that priests are the ones who suffer the most; they are the ones who have direct contact with the lay faithful who approach them and ask them to do things they simply cannot do. When faithful priests explain to the people why they are unable to fulfill their requests, they are accused of going against the Pope, of going against this so-called new direction in the Church.

In this regard, Burke made an appeal to Pope Francis to restore unity. "The Pope is the principle of unity of the bishops and all the faithful. However, the Church is being torn asunder right now by confusion and division. The Holy Father must be called on to exercise his office to put an end to this," he insisted.

He went on to discuss the possibility of a formal correction of the pope if he failed to clarify confusion arising from Amoris Laetitia. "[T]he next step would be a formal declaration stating the clear teachings of the Church as set forth in the dubia," Burke explained. "Furthermore, it would be stated that these truths of the Faith are not being clearly set forth by the Roman Pontiff. In other words, instead of asking the questions as was done in the dubia, the formal correction would be stating the answers as clearly taught by the Church."

Burke reflected on the comments made by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI at the funeral of Cdl. Meisner, one of the co-signatories of the dubia (the set of questions submitted to Pope Francis seeking clarity on Amoris Laetitia). Pope Benedict remarked, "[Cardinal Meisner] learned to let go and to live out of a deep conviction that the Lord does not abandon His Church, even if the boat has taken on so much water as to be on the verge of capsizing."

"It is absolutely true what Pope Benedict XVI wrote of him: He was serene but also very ardent," Burke said. "I vividly recall Cdl. Meisner saying to me that we need to continue fighting for the Church and Her teaching. He possessed a wonderful combination of those two qualities of serenity and ardor."

In recent commentary in The Vortex on Benedict's remarks, Michael Voris clarified that the retired pontiff's words were directed at faithless leaders. "He accuses you of not being able to resist the dictatorship of the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age," Voris says, "and in so failing to resist, you are bringing about the destruction of souls, for a capsizing ship sends passengers and crew tumbling overboard where they drown."

In response to the now-confirmed commission to re-examine Bd. Pope Paul VI's encyclical condemning artificial birth control, Burke said, "If this teaching is not upheld, not only is there a violation of the conjugal act in its essence, but there would then be an opening for all kinds of immoral activity involving our sexual faculties while people would justify sinful genital acts."

In the July 31 episode of The Download, panelist Rodney Pelletier reminded Catholics that, even though the Birth Control Commission had advised Pope Paul VI to relax restrictions on birth control, the pope chose to reaffirm longstanding Church teaching on contraception.

The cardinal also rejected the propagation of false mercy by bishops today. "If we are not conscious of our sin and repenting of it, what does it mean to ask for God's mercy?" he asked. "Why are we asking for God's mercy if we have not sinned? So it is as simple as that. Otherwise, mercy is a meaningless term."

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 07:46:55 AM »
Friend of alleged child molester Pell.
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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2017, 09:03:00 AM »
“Formal act of correction” and then some

Louie Verrechio
August 17, 2017

Just last week, I published a post exploring whether or not Cardinal Burke may have taken the formal act of correction off the table.

At the conclusion to that post I wrote, “Perhaps His Eminence will be asked about this directly in a future interview (which, if history is any indication, cannot be very far removed from today).”

Well, we didn’t have to wait very long at all.

On August 14th, the Wanderer published Part 2 of an interview with His Eminence wherein he indicated that the formal act of correction is not only on the table, it may in fact be the precursor to something far more significant.

Here, I’d like to delve into the relevant parts of the discussion concerning the correction, but before we get that…

Perhaps you may have noticed that Cardinal Burke’s interviews often contain thinly veiled insults aimed directly at Francis. Well, this one was no different. In response to an invitation to recall the life of Cardinal Meisner, he said:

He was a wonderful pastor and was never one to say that those who supported the Church’s teaching were legalists and do not care about people, that they were throwing stones at them. He was a very loving pastor who understood that a good shepherd of the flock must teach the truth to the faithful in its entirety.

Here’s the translation (even though I am certain very few actually need it):

Francis is not a wonderful pastor. He says that those who support the Church’s teaching are legalists and do not care about people, that they are throwing stones at them. Nor is Francis a loving pastor who understands that a good shepherd of the flock must teach the truth to the faithful in its entirety.

This, I suppose, is how the game is played in Rome…

Returning to the main topic at hand, the interviewer asked:

Setting aside the question of timing, please explain how the process for the execution of a “formal correction” would proceed should a response to the five dubia not be forthcoming? [Sic] How is a formal correction officially submitted, how is it addressed within the Church’s hierarchal structure, etc.?

First, let me say that I am unaware to what extent, if any, the interviewer had to agree to avoid certain topics going in, but apart from this, why on earth would he set aside “the question of timing”?

I mean, the dubia is about to have a birthday for crying out loud!

In any event, it seems as if the answer to that question is, if not given, at least suggested later in the interview. We’ll get to that in a moment.

Let’s take a look at Cardinal Burke’s reply piecemeal:

The process has not been frequently invoked in the Church, and not now for several centuries. There has been the correction of past Holy Fathers on significant points, but not in a doctrinal way.

NB: His Eminence is saying that this is not a matter of discipline (as the proponents of Amoris Laetitia like to contend); it is a matter of doctrine.

It seems to me that the essence of the correction is quite simple. On the one hand, one sets forth the clear teaching of the Church; on the other hand, what is actually being taught by the Roman Pontiff is stated. If there is a contradiction, the Roman Pontiff is called to conform his own teaching in obedience to Christ and the Magisterium of the Church.

In other words, as things currently stand, Francis’ teaching is not in conformity with that of Christ and the Magisterium of the Church, and so he will be called upon to conform.

At this, we arrive at one of the most crucially important parts of the interview as Cardinal Burke continues:

The question is asked, “How would this be done?” It is done very simply by a formal declaration to which the Holy Father would be obliged to respond.

NB: Once a correction is issued, Francis will be obliged to respond.

In my previously mentioned post concerning the correction, I pointed out how inconsistent, and even contradictory, Cardinal Burke has been at times when commenting upon the matter. Herein lies yet another example.

In a January 2017 interview with the Italian publication, La Verità, Cardinal Burke said of the dubia:

There is no ultimatum to the Pope, but we must go forward: the faith is in danger

As I stated at the time, the dubia has always been an “ultimatum;” a proposal that essentially demands, “Do this, or else suffer the consequences.”

Now, Cardinal Burke is plainly admitting that this is the case.

Again, in the interviewer’s defense, perhaps he was forbidden to ask it, but the next logical question is obvious:

You state that he would be ‘obliged.’ What consequences will he face for failing to do so?

Though it wasn’t asked, it was in my estimation answered, and in this case, Cardinal Burke is demonstrating consistency.

Before we get to that answer, let’s consider “the question of timing.”

Cardinal Burke went on to say:

Pope Francis has chosen not to respond to the five dubia, so it is now necessary simply to state what the Church teaches about marriage, the family, acts that are intrinsically evil, and so forth.

As we have come to learn, one cannot put too much stock in any one thing the cardinal states. Even so, one might take note that he did not say “it will be necessary” to proceed to the correction; he said “it is now necessary.”

The implication is that it is coming soon.

If I was foolish enough to place a bet on where this merry-go-round is headed, my money would be on some time shortly after September 19th – the one year anniversary of the dubia’s issuance.

As for the form of the correction, Cardinal Burke stated:

So then, the next step would be a formal declaration stating the clear teachings of the Church as set forth in the dubia. Furthermore, it would be stated that these truths of the Faith are not being clearly set forth by the Roman Pontiff. In other words, instead of asking the questions as was done in the dubia, the formal correction would be stating the answers as clearly taught by the Church.

Regular readers of this space may recall my multi-part series with Robert Siscoe concerning whether or not Francis is a formal heretic. I argued that he is; Robert that he is not. We both agreed, however, that the sacred hierarchy has a duty in such cases to make a formal declaration.

Such a declaration is not a matter of judging, properly speaking, since a pope (if you will allow in this case) is judged by no man, rather it is a matter of announcing to the Church what he himself has revealed.

The purpose of the declaration, as described by 18th century theologian, Fr. Pietro Ballerini, is as follows:

So that he might not cause damage to the rest, he would have to have his heresy and contumacy publicly proclaimed, so that all might be able to be equally on guard in relation to him.

This is essentially what Cardinal Burke is talking about:

…a formal declaration stating … that these truths of the Faith are not being clearly set forth by the Roman Pontiff.

Granted, Cardinal Burke chose to employ less precise wording than Fr. Ballerini.

No surprise there. After all, if the interview didn’t amount to a certain number of puzzle pieces for the reader to assemble one would have to wonder if it was “fake news”!

Perhaps the most noteworthy part of the interview pertains to Cardinal Burke’s response to a question about the CDF.

He was asked:

During his tenure as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Gerhard Cardinal Mueller was a steadfast defender that confusing statements in Amoris Laetitia must be interpreted in line with the Church’s traditional teaching on reception of Holy Communion by civilly divorced and remarried Catholics. Do you foresee any possibility of a reversal in this teaching from the CDF in the aftermath of his non-renewal as Prefect?

Pay close attention to Cardinal Burke’s response:

It is not possible for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith to declare otherwise. If it did, it would be out of communion with the Church. What Cardinal Mueller has set forth is exactly what has always been taught by the Church. In more recent times, paragraph 84 of Pope St. John Paul II’s apostolic exhortation Familiaris Consortio has pronounced the Church’s constant teaching. So then, that type of reversal is simply not possible.

When the pieces are assembled, it would seem that this is His Eminence’s answer to the unasked question:

You state that Francis would be ‘obliged’ to respond to the formal correction; presumably, in conformity with what has always been taught by the Church. What would be the consequences of his failure to do so?

The answer: He would be out of communion with the Church.

In this, there is consistency.

Recall Cardinal Burke’s December 2016 interview with Catholic World Report wherein he was asked:

Some people are saying that the pope could separate himself from communion with the Church. Can the pope legitimately be declared in schism or heresy?

To which Cardinal Burke replied:

If a Pope would formally profess heresy he would cease, by that act, to be the Pope. It’s automatic. And so, that could happen.

As I suggested, no one knows where this merry-go-round is headed. What we have before us is a series of puzzle pieces that, once put together, may or may not tell the tale.

Even so, it seems that the formal act of correction, which now appears likely, is not the end game, but rather just might be (please, God) a  step in what may lead to Francis being openly declared an anti-pope.

Yes, all of this speculating is growing tiresome, but these are the cards we’ve been dealt.

In any event, it looks like the next month or so (as October 13 approaches) is going to be very interesting indeed.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2017, 11:11:09 PM »
Nasty German Fake-News-Attack Against Cardinal Burke

The Archdiocese of Cologne's domradio.de published an angry interview with pro-gay Father Bernd Hagenkord S.J., the editor-in-chief of German Radio Vatican, against Cardinal Raymond Burke.

In the lead text domradio.de claims that Cardinal Burke has "close ties" to the [former] White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, and even to President Donald Trump, despite the fact that Hagenkord himself disclaims this during the interview while calling Bannon, a strong critic of foreign U.S. military interventions, "the ultimate destroyer".

Regarding Amoris Laetitia, Hagenkord claims that Cardinal Burke is the only cardinal who criticizes this controversial document although the Dubia (doubts) concerning Amoris Laetitia are signed by four cardinals. Even the former Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller expressed his incomprehension why Pope Francis refuses a dialogue on Amoris Laetitia.

Hagenkord believes that Cardinal Burke does not know how to present a formal correction of Amoris Laetitia. Using incorrect German he guesses that this correction is only the product of Cardinal Burke's personal imagination. It becomes clear from Hagenkord's words that he doesn't understand that Cardinal Burke does not ask from Francis a "formal correction" but an answer to the five Dubia. Only if such an answer is not given, did Burke hint at publishing a formal correction of Amoris Laetitia.

Finally, Hagenkord blames Cardinal Burke of producing "division" as if Burke were the author of divisive Amoris Laetitia.

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Re: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Defender of the Faith
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 08:43:48 AM »
Cardinal Burke Speaks About His Role As Defender Of The Faith

"I have learned, that I must abandon myself totally to defending Christ and His Church", Cardinal Raymond Burke said to The Wanderer on August 21.

God assists us even in matters of physical strength and of being able to endure very difficult situations. The Cardinal discovered this "because there have been times when things that have been said about me are very painful."

With great honesty he adds, "From my childhood, I have been rather sensitive to being criticized by other people — it is not something I enjoy. But I have found that the recent, somewhat harsh criticism does not deter me from doing what Our Lord asks of me and that I am very much at peace."

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