you boys better be "tweet tweetin" yer sorry asses up to Massachussets

[lucy]

You are blinded by your belief in one party vs another, imo....This is exactly what those in power want from you...total submission.

And that, my friend, is a kind of slavery in itself.

[IM2]

Boffo,

and which party controlled the congress?

Your selective memory fails you once again. from 1994 until 2006 republicans had control of congress.

bullshit- the policy of this nation has been to not refuse life saving help to anyone for any reason.  Between medicare, medicaid and countless other circuit breaker programs, the system works for all better than any nation on earth.

Regardless of what you think, a bill is attached to those services. And that bill remains due until paid. Lots of time a persons credit is erased by inablity to pay this bill, and people lose everything because trying to pay the cost of this very life saving care you talk about. So again, like I said, the health care system is only good for those who can afford to pay. Given the fact that I did work in the health insurance industry, this includes the ability to pay  high premiums for that same care.

listen up dumbass, in the American justice system, a defendant has the right to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,to subpoena, examine and dispute every single link to every single accusation and every shred of evidence.
which means that they will have the right to publicly flaunt every single covert top secret method that those protecting us from them has used, stripping our intelligence system to the core rendering it useless for the future

I doubt if this happens.  Secondly if our system of justice requires all to get a fair trial, then thats the way it is. If this can be suspended or erased even for so called terroristts, it can be suspended for us as well.

and WHAT IF they are acquitted? OJ was, I followed that fiasco start to finish and it was a miscarriage of justice.

Obviously you did not pay attention to the fact that when Fuhrman perjured himself he killed the prosecutions case. That is the the law. And since you also did not pay attentionto the flimsy evidence and questionable tactics used by those gathering the so called evidence, then maybe you should not comment on the OJ case.

Does our model of justice, the pride of the free world go at the bastards in another way? Double jeapardy ? or just turn them loose....adios abdul

Your paranoia is showing.

the feds are good,..... ask a Gotti.  9(?) trials, 1 conviction   yippee

More of your paranoia. I have full confidence that the system will prevail and those who did the deed will get whatever justice they deserve.

this atrocity, treating these scumbags like American citizen criminals giving them the OJ shot is beyond ignorance, it is treasonous

Any other method increase the understanding so called terrorists have of this nation and it also increases the number of terrorists who want to do damage. Providing them with a fair shot decreases the effect of the propaganda served by so called terrorists by those who wish harm on america. You need to understand the nature of the oppositon before you spew your bilge. GW Bush gave Richard Reid a trial, and I do believe Moussaoui got a US trail as well. Did not see any of you conservatives screaming treason then, so don't do it now.

as you beat your tired little "blame Republican" drum, Im2 have you ever stopped to ask yourself "where's the change?"

Only a fool expects that Obama is going to change 8 years of messed up policy in 1 year or less.

the only way for government to succeed is to become smaller and stay the hell out of peoples lives beyond the basics.  fat chance of that with either of the ruling party's we are stuck with but "right" is better than left

Wrong. The only way for governemnt to suceeed is to be responsible and accountable. What is basic for you may not be basic for others.

I don't suppose that you've checked the polls on the healthcare scam, people oppose it by a huge wide margin, but the "left" is bound determined to shove it down our throats......some democracy, eh

If the only polling you look to is conservative, then you will make this judgement. But sane poling does not agree with your assessment.

The invasion of Iraq was shoved down our throats and our continued occuaption of that nation when the majority of people wanted us to get out did not seem to bother you. Nor did the cost of  waging an unecessary war.  So don't mind if I tell you that I do not care what you think about health care.

The soul of a nation is judged by the way it cares for its sick, poor, and those in need. A conservative Amierca has no soul.

[IM2]

Lucy,

You are blinded by your belief in one party vs another, imo....This is exactly what those in power want from you...total submission.

Lucy, I am not the one who has constantly been an apologist for republican wrong by arguing that democrats have done things wrong too. That alone shows your blindness. Therefore you have submitted to conservatism, and that is exactly what they want you  to do.

And that, my friend, is a kind of slavery in itself.

Its kinda funny how white conservatives throw around the word slavery.

[lucy]

I am not a republican, though...that is where you are wrong in your assessment of me.

And there are many forms of slavery. It would be good to see what slavery is and isn't before you make your final determinations. I know you are keen on how blacks were slaves, but there have been slaves to various governments...the soviet union comes to mind here as well as nazi germany...they were slaves...even in China and Japan and Korea, etc, in the East, slaves to government were and in some cases still are, ongoing....slavery to government rules and regulations that have us forfeit our privacy, our earnings, our rights of free speech, etc....hmmmm....

[IM2]

Lucy,

We don't live in any of the nations you mentioned.  This nation is the one that claims to be founded upon the god given equality of all humans. The fact that slavery existed here renders this statement to be a lie.  Thats what you and many other conservaties need to understand when you talk about this country. It is the only way this nation will move towards the dream of the so called founders of a more perfect union. Making excuses only continues the imperfection.

And we are not slaves to any government rules or regulations. Most of these rules and regulations exist because somewhere in our history we abused our privelidge. The congress has the constitutional right to levy taxes also, so your talk about being enslaved relative to your earnings being forfeited is bascially incorrect.

Because slaves in America could not earn. And slaves elsewhere cannot earn either. Slavery is not consensual. You consent to live in this country and are bound by the rules of this country by your consent. Therefore any reference to slavery has no merit.

[lucy]

Consent. That is a very interesting concept.

How can we consent or even disagree with what is spent for what and given to whom?

This country was founded on certain principles that perhaps even the founders did not follow themselves ultimately, and ironically...that they allowed slavery being one principle in question when they proposed that "all men are created equal" etc...that was their blindness and their fallacy....BUT, there have been so many who have the wherewithall to see that fallacy and I resent your throwing WHITE MEN into some sort of collective pit for retaliation...you may think that some are for you, but when you fail to see that there are many conservatives who are actually more concerned about the real ability for ALL to be able to achieve what they can, and not just some sort of empty political hype while stealing from all of us--conservative and liberal, for that matter---you are blinded by politics. You think democrats care more for blacks than republicans, right? Conservatives care less for blacks than liberals, etc...that is not necessarily true.

[lucy]

And as far as the nations I mentioned are concerned,  we are can learn a lesson from the past or we can be slaves to reinventing the wheel....and that is, we can also be made to endure what other nations have suffered, if we don't realize what we are doing to ourselves....that being what is being done to our money, our reserves, our crops, our livlihoods, our very abilty to survive....

We are being robbed.

[johnhp]

The Boffoon wrote:

bullshit- the policy of this nation has been to not refuse life saving help to anyone for any reason.  Between medicare, medicaid and countless other circuit breaker programs, the system works for all better than any nation on earth.

Only someone with the brain of a gently stewed parsnip would suggest that not refusing life saving aid equates to a healthcare system that is equitable and good for all.

By what standard is our system working "for all better than any nation on earth"?