"Conservatives" losing in current disinformation campaign.

[Velleity]

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Rudy Giuliani is taking hits for his idea about how Bush didn't have any terrorism during his administration. Cheney and members of Congress are getting skewered for dumbass comments about how Barack Obama doesn't mention terrorism.

WTF "conservatives?" What are you people thinking? Are you thinking?

 

[lucy]

Rudy is hardly a "conservative" even on a bad hair day/

[Pepsi]

'If Obama would just say the word "terrorism" we'll all be safer' ~actual true republican talking points these days.

[Velleity]

'If Obama would just say the word "terrorism" we'll all be safer' ~actual true republican talking points these days.

It's also a "conservative" whopper of a lie, since Obama's saying it all the time.

[Velleity]

Rudy is hardly a "conservative" even on a bad hair day/

He absolutely is a "conservative" and he's not the only "conservative" who's participating in this particular disinformation campaign.

Note that I use quotes around the word "conservative." The fringe that runs around claiming to be conservative are not real conservatives. Unfortunately there are not a whole lot of real conservatives these days.

[lucy]

There are more conservative thinkers than you are willing to acknowledge, perhaps. But, then, you have already decided that "conservative" thinking should be vilified, no? Regardless of any value in that line of thought for you, your kids, your grandkids, etc.

Where are you going to go when the shit hits the fan economically, for example? The indicators are showing we are looking more like the Weimar Republic daily...hyperinflation could easily happen. Not to mention a real food crisis because our agricultural yield is in sad shape....etc.

So, why does the government not prepare its own citizens for the POSSIBILITY of these things instead of spending more money on military operations such as Yemen, and stupid cameras in airports....

[johnhp]

They all loved Giuliani after 911 as one of their own.  How mighty have fallen.

[lucy]

Who is "they"?

Who are your "we" then as well?

[johnhp]

Who is "they"?

Conservatives.  He was the darling of conservatives, "America's mayor".  And he certainly has capitalized on it with his security firm.

Who are your "we" then as well?

Don't believe i used that term.

[Velleity]

But, then, you have already decided that "conservative" thinking should be vilified, no?

"Conservative" thinking as in what? As in the "conservative" idea that cutting taxes raises tax revenues? Villified? No, rejected because the logic of that "conservative thinking" is unsound, as is the entire logic of the disinformation that has been called "supply side economics." Likewise "creation science" must be rejected. Likewise the so-called "Bush Doctrine." Especially likewise with the idea that compromise is evil so these people don't have to work with others who don't somehow adhere to their ideology. Likewise, too, with their semi covert racist crap. . .

Real conservative thought,on the other hand, is certainly viable. If the conservative movement could find it within itself to evolve and purge itself of certain malignancies then I would applaud. There is certainly merit in the basic notion of limited, but when any idea is taken to it's extreme and the ideology takes on an importance over and above everything else, then yes it's evil.

Where are you going to go when the shit hits the fan economically, for example? The indicators are showing we are looking more like the Weimar Republic daily...hyperinflation could easily happen. Not to mention a real food crisis because our agricultural yield is in sad shape....etc.

I'm certainly not going to look at anything like the ridiculous notion you have just advanced. The Weimar Republic?

 

So, why does the government not prepare its own citizens for the POSSIBILITY of these things instead of spending more money on military operations such as Yemen, and stupid cameras in airports....

Prepare its own citizens to do what? You're invoking images of school children being instructed to crawl under their desks in a fetal position during an air raid drill in "preparation" for a nuclear attack.

 

[lucy]

The Bushes are not "conservatives" either....

I am not talking about hiding under desks. I actually did that during the early 1960's BAY OF PIGS thing....I was in second grade or so.

We are not talking about nuclear war here. We're talking about economic meltdown and why some are trotting off with billions of dollars at the taxpayers expense and the treasury of future generations?

[Velleity]

The Bushes are not "conservatives" either....

I am not talking about hiding under desks. I actually did that during the early 1960's BAY OF PIGS thing....I was in second grade or so.

We are not talking about nuclear war here. We're talking about economic meltdown and why some are trotting off with billions of dollars at the taxpayers expense and the treasury of future generations?

You're talking about "economic meltdown and why some are trotting." You're also disregarding economic realities and legitimate economic thought.

You've trashed Keynes. I don't think you have any idea what Keynes said and why he said it. Do you?

[lucy]

There are many voices out there who share the idea that the US dollar is probably going to go down the tubes. There has been discussion about a new international currency or international economic change which would end the dollar's favored status, etc.

This is not about Keynes really. The reality is far more complex, and you know this.

As far as "conservative" thought is concerned....it would help for policy makers to do what is legally and constitutionally binding, for one thing. It would also help if we began to control government spending with some rational oversight, don't you think? A nation cannot be trillions in debt to other nations without paying the piper at some point down the road....China, Russia, Japan, India....these guys are creating wealth through productive means. We're simply borrowing money mostly....this cannot work forever.

It's basic common sense, really.

[lucy]

Bob Chapman:

"The following information may be the most important we have ever published. One of our Intel sources, highly placed in banking circles, tells us that on 1/1/10 all banks that have received TARP funds have been informed by the Federal Reserve that they must further restrict any commercial lending. Loans have to be 75% collateralized, 50% of which has to be in cash, which is a compensating balance.

The Fed has to do one of two things: They either have to pull $1.5 trillion out of the system by June, which would collapse the economy, or face hyperinflation. This is why the Fed has instructed banks to inform them when and how much of the TARP funds they can return. At best they can expect $300 to $400 billion plus the $200 billion the Fed already has in hand.

We believe the Fed will opt for letting the system run into hyperinflation. All signs tell us they cannot risk allowing the undertow of deflation to take over the economy. The system cannot stand such a withdrawal of funds. They also must depend on assistance from Congress in supplying a second stimulus plan. That would probably be $400 to $800 billion. A lack of such funding would send the economy and the stock market into a tailspin. Even with such funding the economy cannot expect any growth to speak of and at best a sideways movement for perhaps a year.

We have been told that the FDIC not only is $8.2 billion in the hole, but they have secretly borrowed an additional $80 billion from the Treasury. We have also been told that the FDIC is lying about the banks in trouble. The number in eminent danger are not 552, but a massive 2,035. The cost of bailing these banks out would be $800 billion to $1 trillion. That means 2,500 could be closed in 2010. Now get this, the FDIC is going to be collapsed before the end of 2010, which means no more deposit insurance. This follows the 9/18/09 end of government guarantees on money market funds. Both will force deposits into US government bonds and agency bonds in an attempt to save the system.

This will strip small and medium-sized banks and force them into shutting down or being absorbed. This means you have to get your money out of banks, especially CDs. We repeat get your cash values out of life insurance policies and annuities. They are invested 80% in stocks and 20% in bonds. Keep only enough money in banks for three months of operating expenses, six months for businesses.

Major and semi-major banks are being told to obtain secure storage for new currency-dollars. They expect official devaluation by the end of the year.

We do not know what the exchange rate will be, but as we have stated previously we expect three old dollars to be traded for one new dollar. The alternative is gold and silver coins and shares. For those with substantial sums that do not want to be in gold and silver related assets completely you can use Canadian and Swiss Treasuries. If you need brokers for these investments we can supply them.

The Fed also expects a meltdown in the bond market, especially in municipals. Public services will be cut drastically leading to increased crime and social problems, not to mention the psychological trauma that our country will experience. Already 50% of homes in hard hit urban areas are under water, nationwide more than 25%. That means you have to be out of bonds as well, especially municipals. "

link  http://theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Forecaster_Weekly/Potential_For_Fed_To_Hyperinflate


Just something to consider, really.....

[dagon]

rachel maddow does the best job of taking giulliani down yet.  she even addresses why his backtracks on his statement don't make any sense either.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640

peace