58% Favor Waterboarding of Plane Terrorist To Get Information

[Boffo]

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too bad they didn't poll me, coulda kicked it up a notch.

although, I would prefer burning bamboo slivers under the finger nails and that nifty thing they do with needle nose pliers

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[ivanm]

too bad they didn't poll me, coulda kicked it up a notch.

although, I would prefer burning bamboo slivers under the finger nails and that nifty thing they do with needle nose pliers

http://tinyurl.com/yf9bwmg

As terrible as it may be I don't think that water boarding does any permanent physical damage.  As to mental damage, those suspects got problems or they wouldn't be in that fix.  Tough shit for them.  I say stop wasting
resources and just shoot them on sight.  Forget GITMO and three sqares and all those other bennies they didn't have as sandies.

[Boffo]

well, Ivan, as it sits, this mope is going to get a showcase trial, a free muslim lawyer, (likely if daddy don't pay) religion specific meals, prayer rag, 3 hots and a cot, free healthcare, cable, weight room and a nice receptive audience for potential converts

Gitmo should be permanent, he should be there and those who really care should be allowed to milk him for any shred of information he has by any means necessary.

this animal came from privilege but the Obama plan to treat these assholes like American criminals will lead to more and more wanting to improve their wretched lifestyle

it's allah and the 17 virgins if they succeed, Club Fed compliment of the US taxpayer if they "fail"

a win win for the jihadist, a lose lose for America

[ivanm]

well, Ivan, as it sits, this mope is going to get a showcase trial, a free muslim lawyer, (likely if daddy don't pay) religion specific meals, prayer rag, 3 hots and a cot, free healthcare, cable, weight room and a nice receptive audience for potential converts

Gitmo should be permanent, he should be there and those who really care should be allowed to milk him for any shred of information he has by any means necessary.

this animal came from privilege but the Obama plan to treat these assholes like American criminals will lead to more and more wanting to improve their wretched lifestyle

it's allah and the 17 virgins if they succeed, Club Fed compliment of the US taxpayer if they "fail"

a win win for the jihadist, a lose lose for America

Right on.  GITMO is paradise compared to how they used to live in many cases. Just think, running water, clean clothes, balmy weather.  Compare that to the sandpiles of the ME or the mountains of Afghan and Pak.

Why can't these prisoners be kept in theater and interrogated there? And when we are done turn them over to the locals for execution. In WWII we didn't take so many prisoners although thousands were brought to America to concentration camps and to work on the farms. We housed them and then sent them home after the war, but they were not religious kooks like Islamic extremists are.  Those dizzy jerks won't get over their zealotry until they are cut down so why send them back to start again?

[IM2]

Waterboarding this guy is not going to get you any credible information. Torture does not work. It allows the person to tell you what you want to hear and thats it.

[Pepsi]

In WWII we didn't take so many prisoners although thousands were brought to America to concentration camps and to work on the farms. We housed them and then sent them home after the war, but they were not religious kooks like Islamic extremists are.  Those dizzy jerks won't get over their zealotry until they are cut down so why send them back to start again?

You don't think the Nazi's or the Imperial Japanese were as zealous as the Islamic terrorists?  Really?   Never heard of "Kamikaze"?

[IM2]

Ivan is 71 years old.  He was born in 1938. He did  not fight in WW2.  My dad fought in WW2, and there were germans being held as POWS. How do ya think we were able to surround Hitler and cause him to kill himself before he got captured. He did not want to go out like Mussolini so I was told.

And yes Kamikaze was a religious experience for the Japanese. Kinda like Hari-Kari. This is why we decided to nuke them, because Truman knew that an invasion of Japan woud mean a few hundred thousand dead americans because the japanase people were not going to go down without one hell of a fight.

[Observer]

Waterboarding this guy is not going to get you any credible information. Torture does not work. It allows the person to tell you what you want to hear and thats it.

Bullshit.

[IM2]

Observer,

Experts have said this O.K.

[Observer]

Observer,

Experts have said this O.K.

Some people claiming to be experts have said that.

A thousand years of history proves them wrong.

[Velleity]

Some people claiming to be experts have said that.

A thousand years of history proves them wrong.

All of the authoritative sources that I have seen and heard prove you to be wrong.

You are not an authoritative source.

[nraforlife]

hmmmmmm, no real bomb, perp is filmed for the entire flight by a fellow passenger, perp gets on plane with the help of a well dressed official and no passport, perp is on terrorist watch list but gets on anyway, passengers are kept on plane for 20 minutes after landing BEFORE a search of the plane for additional ordinance, then kept in a holding area for two hours where if the FBI is to be believed they mixed with passengers from another flight(including a guy with another bomb!!!!!!!)

[Observer]

All of the authoritative sources that I have seen and heard prove you to be wrong.

You are not an authoritative source.

Actually, I AM an authoritative source. As a Graduate of the Army's Level B (Instructor) and Level C (High Risk) SERE programs, as well as both the Air Force's and Navy's SERE Programs, I far better versed in the history of interrogation techniques and their effectiveness than the vast majority of your self professed "experts". Having been waterboarded numerous times over the years, both in a controlled school environment and somewhat less controlled field environments, I can personally attest to the effectiveness of that particular technique.

Anyone who says coercion does NOT work and is NOT a valuable tool in the gathering of intelligence simply doesn't know what he is talking about.

[Velleity]

Actually, I AM an authoritative source. As a Graduate of the Army's Level B (Instructor) and Level C (High Risk) SERE programs, as well as both the Air Force's and Navy's SERE Programs, I far better versed in the history of interrogation techniques and their effectiveness than the vast majority of your self professed "experts". Having been waterboarded numerous times over the years, both in a controlled school environment and somewhat less controlled field environments, I can personally attest to the effectiveness of that particular technique.

Anyone who says coercion does NOT work and is NOT a valuable tool in the gathering of intelligence simply doesn't know what he is talking about.

SERE is not about extracting useful information. SERE is about training our soldiers for the possibility of being subjected to Chinese techniques applied during the Korean War and if you knew anything about those techniques you would know that they were not designed or intended to extract useful information. The techniques are intended to extract false confessions.

The best book I have seen on the subject is one I read a long time ago, Robert Cialdini's "Influence: The Power of Persuasion."

The fact that you were waterboarded does not make you an expert on the psychology, and you do not have the credential of a CIA interrogator.

[Observer]

SERE is not about extracting useful information. SERE is about training our soldiers for the possibility of being subjected to Chinese techniques applied during the Korean War and if you knew anything about those techniques you would know that they were not designed or intended to extract useful information. The techniques are intended to extract false confessions.

No, they aren't.

They are intended to extract intelligence. SERE is NOT about being suted to "Chinese techniques applied during the Korean War". Who told you that nonsense?

The Reisistance Training Laboratory at Camp Rowe is designed to teach operators to resist interrogation. The object is to deny the enemy useful battlefield information, NOT to deny them propaganda opportunities.

Do you have any idea what Operators are taught with regard to interrogation and the importance of resistance? Of course you don't. Well, let me help you out here.

Special Forces Operators, SEALs, certain Force Recon Elements, selected Air Force CCTs and PJs... some of the toughest and most mentally disciplined men on the planet are taught that ANYONE can be broken through the use of agressive interrogation. They are taught that if they are tortured they WILL be broken. They are taught techniques to help them resist for as long as possible and that if they can hold out for 72 HOURS, they have done their duty.

I don't know who has fed you the nonsense you are posting here, but they are full of shit.

The best book I have seen on the subject is one I read a long time ago, Robert Cialdini's "Influence: The Power of Persuasion."

I am glad you read a book.