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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2017, 06:55:45 PM »
California Law: Calling Transgenders the Wrong Gender Pronoun Can Send You to Jail

KATHERINE RODRIGUEZ
10 Oct 2017

A newly signed law signed by California Gov. Jerry Brown last week states that health care workers who choose not to address transgender patients by their preferred pronouns could face fines or jail time.

The bill, which was signed into law Wednesday, is designed to protect transgender and LGBT individuals in hospitals, assisted living facilities, long-term care facilities, and retirement homes from discrimination and ensure their needs are met, such as letting them use the bathroom of their preferred gender.

“It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to take any of the following actions wholly or partially on the basis of a person’s actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, or human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) status,” the bill reads.

The law states that health care workers who “willfully and repeatedly” fail to address transgender people by their “preferred name or pronouns” if they were “clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns” would be in violation of the law.

According to the newly-signed law, violators could be punished with a fine “not to exceed one thousand dollars,” sent to prison “in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year,” or both.

State Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), who introduced the bill to the California Senate in August, argued that people would not be criminally prosecuted despite the law’s wording.

“It’s just more scare tactics by people who oppose all LGBT civil rights and protections,” he said in a statement last month.

Wiener’s office claimed that the law “does not create any new criminal provisions,” but instead creates “new rights within an existing structure.”

Those who opposed the law, including Greg Burt of the California Family Council, criticized the measure when it was in its early stages for being a violation of free speech.

“How can you believe in free speech, but think the government can compel people to use certain pronouns when talking to others?” Burt told the California Assembly Judiciary Committee in August,  according to CBN News.

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Typical misleading right-wing scare tactics.  Criminal prosecution can only occur for criminal behavior, i.e. behavior that would put an elderly person at risk of serious harm.

From Politifact:
"We found groups such as Breitbart and Fox News crammed misleading information into short news headlines, greatly distorting the facts about the use of pronouns or leaving out key information that would have given a different impression.

But we also found an element of truth: Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

Courtney Joslin, a UC Davis law professor, said the bar for criminal prosecution would be extremely high.

"The bill is very, very clear that what is prohibited is the willful engagement and repeated engagement in discriminatory conduct against LGBT seniors. So, if someone makes a mistake or doesn’t know what a person’s gender identity is and uses the incorrect pronoun that is not a violation of the statute," Joslin said.

http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/sep/26/claims-mislead-about-california-bill-forcing-jail-/

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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2017, 07:54:17 PM »
Typical misleading right-wing scare tactics.  Criminal prosecution can only occur for criminal behavior, i.e. behavior that would put an elderly person at risk of serious harm.

From Politifact:
"We found groups such as Breitbart and Fox News crammed misleading information into short news headlines, greatly distorting the facts about the use of pronouns or leaving out key information that would have given a different impression.

But we also found an element of truth: Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.

Courtney Joslin, a UC Davis law professor, said the bar for criminal prosecution would be extremely high.

"The bill is very, very clear that what is prohibited is the willful engagement and repeated engagement in discriminatory conduct against LGBT seniors. So, if someone makes a mistake or doesn’t know what a person’s gender identity is and uses the incorrect pronoun that is not a violation of the statute," Joslin said.

http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/sep/26/claims-mislead-about-california-bill-forcing-jail-/


so spacey,

what part of the headline is incorrect?

by Politifact's own admission the headline is spot on.

"But we also found an element of truth: Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine."
Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything.

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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2017, 08:03:54 PM »
so spacey,

what part of the headline is incorrect?

by Politifact's own admission the headline is spot on.

"But we also found an element of truth: Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine."

"Criminal charges would only follow, she said, if the violation reached a level that was shown to cause the risk of death or serious physical harm, in accordance with state’s existing penalty structure for health and safety code violations at long-term care centers."

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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #63 on: October 10, 2017, 08:41:21 PM »
"Criminal charges would only follow, she said, if the violation reached a level that was shown to cause the risk of death or serious physical harm, in accordance with state’s existing penalty structure for health and safety code violations at long-term care centers."

so. the charges would then follow.
headline is correct.

Ps. how is calling a person by the wrong pronoun going to

"cause the risk of death or serious physical harm"?
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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #64 on: October 10, 2017, 09:28:10 PM »
so. the charges would then follow.
headline is correct.

Ps. how is calling a person by the wrong pronoun going to

"cause the risk of death or serious physical harm"?

Not by accident, or even by what could be termed light emotional abuse (bullying).

Outing someone can be very dangerous in our society, moreso since the election.

Emotional abuse can drive a fragile person to suicide, also more likely since the election.

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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2017, 11:39:09 PM »
so. the charges would then follow.
headline is correct.

Ps. how is calling a person by the wrong pronoun going to

"cause the risk of death or serious physical harm"?

"The measure, known as the LGBT Senior Bill of Rights, or Senate Bill 219, would ban the facilities from denying admission, transferring or evicting a resident on the basis of their sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, gender expression or HIV status."

It's not just about using the wrong pronoun.

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Re: The Rise of Transfascism in the West
« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2017, 10:46:19 AM »
NHS pressured our kids to change sex: Transgender backlash as desperate parents accuse overzealous therapists of 'blindly accepting' children's claims to have been born in wrong body

- Parents are concerned that clinic staff are 'blindly accepting' children's claims
 
- Campaign group Transgender Trend receives pleas for help from parents

- One mother was stunned when a 15-year-old girl was referred to a specialist transgender clinic after a consultation of just 40 minutes

Sanchez Manning
28 October 2017

Children as young as 13 are being railroaded into changing gender by overzealous NHS therapists who parents fear are misdiagnosing their young patients.

Concerned parents have spoken of their worry that clinic staff are ‘blindly accepting’ children’s claims that they were born the wrong sex and are failing to treat serious mental health conditions.

A campaign group, Transgender Trend, is now receiving pleas for help from ‘desperate’ parents every week.

One mother was stunned when a 15-year-old girl was referred to a specialist transgender clinic after a consultation of just 40 minutes. The outcry comes as:

- Doctors fear being sued after the NHS signed a ‘memorandum of understanding’ banning staff from challenging patients who believe they are born the wrong sex;

- Teenage YouTube stars who enthuse about changing sex are making being transgender ‘cool’, according to parents;

- Children being referred for transgender treatment on the NHS have surged to record numbers – there are now 50 a week.

While children are coming forward in ever-increasing numbers to say that they believe they were born the wrong sex, there are fears that therapists are ignoring the possibility of other conditions.

Hundreds of alarming stories have been posted over the past two months on an online forum set up by a father who says his teenage daughter is making a mistake in seeking to change gender. The father, who asked to remain anonymous, said: ‘The universal experience [of the parents] is that whether the child has been diagnosed with autism, depression or ADHD, the therapists are completely discounting any other symptoms.’

Stephanie Arai-Davies, who runs Transgender Trend, said: ‘I would estimate that we’ve been contacted by more than 100 parents over the past two years. What parents are saying is they’re deeply worried that NHS counsellors and therapists are immediately suggesting an appointment with a gender identity clinic.’

Ms Arai-Davies said the majority of the enquiries she receives from parents asking for help were about their daughters. Recent figures from the Tavistock Clinic, Britain’s only NHS gender identity service for under-18s, show that their referral rates have rocketed from just 97 in 2009 to more than 2,000 in 2016-17, with 1,400 last year from girls.

Ms Arai-Davies said parents were angry at the way NHS mental health services were presenting them with only one option – that their child should change gender. She explained that many parents believe their children are suffering from other mental health issues.
But teenagers are putting their problems down to confusion over their gender after being ‘brainwashed’ by social media sites promoting being transgender.

Many of the parents are ‘terrified’ to speak out about these views for fear of being accused of transphobia and bombarded with online abuse by ‘trans activists’, Ms Arai-Davies claimed.

The Mail on Sunday was contacted by a number of parents who wanted to tell their stories anonymously. One mother, from South-West London, told how two years ago she received a call from her 15-year-old daughter’s school requesting an urgent meeting because the teenager was claiming she was ‘stuck in the wrong body’.

The next thing she knew the school had referred the matter to the NHS Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) where a psychologist diagnosed the girl with early signs of depression. She was passed on to an NHS ‘family therapist’ who, after a 40-minute assessment, decided to refer her to a gender identity clinic. The girl’s mother demanded that the whole process be slowed down.

‘I said I know she wants a referral to a gender clinic but I have concerns that I want to talk about before any referral,’ she recalled.

‘I’ve known my child for 15 years and he only saw her for 40 minutes yet he thinks he knows everything about her and is blindly accepting that she wants to be a boy.’

The Turkish-born mother-of-three said the therapist refused to listen to her worries that her daughter had been ‘groomed’ by a gay, male friend. The schoolgirl had been bombarded with hundreds of Instagram messages from the boy accusing her of being ‘ugly’ as a girl, encouraging her to bind her breasts and to start taking testosterone. The therapist dismissed the messages as ‘jokes’ and continued to insist on the child being referred, the mother said.

After two appointments, the mother complained to CAMHS about the therapist and the family stopped seeing him. However, the teenager – now 17 – was eventually referred to a gender identity clinic and against her mother’s wishes has started taking testosterone which she ordered online.

Another mother from London said an NHS mental health expert refused to listen to her protests that her 13-year-old daughter’s issues were not really about her gender.

The teenager told her parents in July 2016 that she wanted to be a boy and was referred by her GP to CAMHS, attending her first appointment in January this year.

Her mother told the psychologist she believed her daughter was suffering from anxiety. The 47-year-old said she also thought her daughter had been heavily influenced by messages sent to her by other adolescents on social media. She said: ‘One said she should tell me she will drink bleach if we don’t let her become a boy.’

But the psychotherapist still continued to push the parents to refer to their child as ‘he’ and even allow the teen to bind her chest. The mother added: ‘They just weren’t listening to the one person who knows their child best. I was saying, “I know her – you don’t.”’ A month ago the mother took her daughter to a private mental health service where the psychologist shared her scepticism about the girl wanting to change sex.

The youngster now rarely mentions wanting to be a boy.

Psychotherapists warned that an agreement between the NHS and professional health bodies on the treatment of transgender people will lead to more children being diagnosed with gender dysphoria – the belief you are born in the wrong body. The agreement, known as the memorandum of understanding, which came into effect this month, bans therapists from practising ‘conversion therapy’ – trying to convince people with gender identity issues that they were born the right sex.

Psychotherapist Bob Withers cautioned that the memorandum could prevent therapists from exploring patients who say they are transgender but are suffering from other mental health conditions.

Mr Withers, who has treated a number of transgender patients, said: ‘The danger of this memorandum is it could easily be translated that looking at the psychological reasons for gender dysphoria could be seen as a motive to convert somebody out of their chosen gender identity into a different gender identity. But if you don’t do it then this person could have surgery and end up regretting it.’

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Question for transfascists
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2017, 11:21:11 PM »
You and your wife have a baby. The baby has male genitalia and both x and y chromosomes. Your friends ask if it's a boy or a girl. What is your answer?

a) It's a boy.

b) We don't know yet.

c) Wouldn't you like to know.