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Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« on: December 09, 2013, 07:46:29 AM »
Cutting off access to the top hospitals and medical research centers for those who purchase Obamacare plans is not going to go over well. 

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Amid a drive by insurers to limit costs, the majority of insurance plans being sold on the new healthcare exchanges in New York, Texas, and California, for example, will not offer patients’ access to Memorial Sloan Kettering in Manhattan or MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, two top cancer centres, or Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles, one of the top research and teaching hospitals in the country.


It's just not "efficient" you see to let poor folks get the best care...

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Experts say the move by insurers to limit consumers’ choices and steer them away from hospitals that are considered too expensive, or even “inefficient”, reflects the new competitive landscape in the insurance industry since the passage of the Affordable Care Act, Barack Obama’s 2010 healthcare law.


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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 08:39:04 AM »
Wow. Can't keep your doctor. Can't keep your policy - can't keep your drugs. What's next?



Yesterday, wise protesters in Kiev toppled a statue of Lenin.

Maybe Obama should ask them to ship it to him so he can erect it in the Oval Office.  ::)
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 12:40:41 PM »
Wow. Can't keep your doctor. Can't keep your policy - can't keep your drugs. What's next?



Yesterday, wise protesters in Kiev toppled a statue of Lenin.

Maybe Obama should ask them to ship it to him so he can erect it in the Oval Office.  ::)

how's that repeal going?

you are aware that the republicans have all but abandoned repeal as an avenue are you not?  and obama has 3 more years in office.  the ACA isn't going anywhere, all griping aside.

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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 01:01:32 PM »
As long as Democrats control the Senate, no repeal is possible. They will always stand by their party leadership regardless of the needs or the will of the nation.

They won't be there forever.
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 03:11:03 PM »
how's that repeal going?

you are aware that the republicans have all but abandoned repeal as an avenue are you not?  and obama has 3 more years in office.  the ACA isn't going anywhere, all griping aside.

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I've been telling you that repeal is the wrong thing to do. Finally, the GOP is starting to catch on.

ACA will fall.

It's fiscally unsound and un-salvageable.

I'd be surprised if it last more than a quarter into 2015.

UNLESS - Obama grants more waivers to keep the heat off.
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 03:57:09 PM »
I've been telling you that repeal is the wrong thing to do. Finally, the GOP is starting to catch on.

ACA will fall.

It's fiscally unsound and un-salvageable.

I'd be surprised if it last more than a quarter into 2015.

UNLESS - Obama grants more waivers to keep the heat off.

This entire thing will prove to be the disaster that is is.

It will die on it's own. The faster it dies the better off the American public will be.

It's was all about taking more money from "We The People", while we get crap in return.
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2013, 05:23:36 PM »
I've been telling you that repeal is the wrong thing to do. Finally, the GOP is starting to catch on.

ACA will fall.

It's fiscally unsound and un-salvageable.

I'd be surprised if it last more than a quarter into 2015.

UNLESS - Obama grants more waivers to keep the heat off.

sigh.

obama will be president throughout ALL of 2016.  the ACA is law, not a bill.  and he has vowed to veto any legislation that even attempts repeal.

other than your hopes and dreams once again,  how do you see it not lasting more than a quarter in 2015?

plus,  hillary clinton will probably take a similar stance should she get elected so we're looking at another 7, possibly 11 years under the ACA.  sure, there will be changes but the core law is here to stay.

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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 05:25:51 PM »
As long as Democrats control the Senate, no repeal is possible. They will always stand by their party leadership regardless of the needs or the will of the nation.

They won't be there forever.

as long as they control the presidency, no repeal is possible either.  do you think the repubs will get a veto-proof majority any time soon?

and if clinton gains the white house she's not likely to let any repeal effort go through either.

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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2013, 07:28:23 PM »
Clinton will not ever be President of the United States.
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2013, 07:48:25 PM »
as long as they control the presidency, no repeal is possible either.  do you think the repubs will get a veto-proof majority any time soon?

and if clinton gains the white house she's not likely to let any repeal effort go through either.

peace

In three years' time nobody except the hopelessly unelectable ideologues on the Right are going to be pushing for repeal.
In three years' time most of the bugs will have been worked out of the system, and the average citizen will find decent health care at an affordable rate.
And the health and insurance industries aren't going to want a complete about face after they've spent years getting acclimated to the current system.

You'll get minor re-works from now until Doomsday, but unless something happens to derail ACA within the next 24 months or so, it is here to stay....
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2013, 08:17:44 PM »
Clinton will not ever be President of the United States.

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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2013, 08:22:52 PM »
The longer a law is on the books, the harder it is to get rid of. The biggest problem with this one is that it makes so many changes in the insurance industry, the health care industry, the tax system, and a whole host of other things, that if it remains in effect very long, it will be impossible to unfuck it. That means we'll be making patches to it for decades, trying to make this abomination workable.

I personally think that everyone who supports this law, every member of congress who voted for it, should be stripped of his or her citizenship and set adrift in the Atlantic. Nothing that could ever happen to them could be bad enough.
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Re: Yet One More Reason Obamacare is Going to Sink like a Rock
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2013, 08:44:14 PM »
Clinton will not ever be President of the United States.

we know obs.  nostradamus has spoken.  :)  no analysis, no reason;  just a blanket proclamation and "all bluster,  all the time". 

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