Big Dog Says No '94 Repeat For "Conservatives"

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observer,

Not a legend, just stating what happened. You could never protect your arguments either. In fact you still can't

[ivanm]

ivanm,

Lighthouse/Polaris has a really seriously flawed philosophy.

No numbers outside of fox news show that republicans have any chance of doing whathey did in 94. This is my arugment. It s a factual arugment when one considers that when all polls show job approval ratings republicans are the lowest group every time.

You are a conservative and of course the nonsense coming from Lightworker makes sense to you because it satisfies what you want to believe. But just because you believe it does not make it truth.

And its funny what you say about Limbaugh, because if he does not represent mainstram conservative thought, or even the republican party, someone needs to tell the conservative leadership to stop apologizing to him when people stand up against his madness.

I spent more than a decade at NOPC and not one time could any one opposing me show evidence to suport their words. They simply repeated the same  crap day in and day out. Then because they had the majority they simply ganged up on me and still could not provide facts to support their opposition. So then they simply told me I did not know what I was saying like their saying so made it true. I showed them they were wrong so many times that i can say that I pretty much went undefeated.

So then you telling me about NOPC means nothing. What will happen is that you will suffer the same fate as they did if you cannot suport your opposition with facts.

I made light of what Lghtworker said because it is pure folly and fantasy. The numbers speak for themselves ivanm. Republicans will not have a 1994 next year. The reality is that if anything republicans will regain seats held by a few of the conservative democrats who acted like republicans during ther term.  Demographics in this nation have changed. The majority of citizens are not conservaitve or republican anymore. These facts seem to elude lightworker (which I expect because he does not live here) and  you. Republicans will not regain anything with no ideas and by simply opposing everything done by this administration. The mess we live in now was caused by republicans and 2010 is just 2 years removed from the mess democrats walked into that was created by the republican majority. Your party is proposing the very same things that created the mess we have now as an option to what Obama is doing, like if you do it all over again the results wil be different. So then only very stupid people would fall for this in any type of way that would give republicans the majority they held in 1994.

GW Bush was headed for a one term presidency and then boom 9-11. So then with the elections more than one year away, to predict that republicans are going to have a 1994, is pure untrue really unresearched conjecture. What happens if the economy keeps doing better and unemployment rates lower? Republicans are dead. And for the last several months job losses are fewer, meaning that probably in about a year there will be a change and the job losses will stop and actualy jobs will begin to be created.

All of the stimulus money has not been sent out yet, so then claimng that the stimulus has not worked with it has not been fully implemented is showing what the hopes are of a party with no ideas who can only wish the opposition fails. This is not a winning strategy.

So given these facts, I can make light of what lightworker said. 

No canadian is capable of telling me anything about how this political system works, and no one who only gets their information from fox, and Limbaugh is able to provide any type of truly informed view of the political scene in america today. What sense he makes to you is on you, but just because he makes sense to you does not mean he makes sense to everyone else.

Lighthouse knows the deal, he doesn't live here, he doesn't vote here, he doesn't work here, and he does not pay taxes here.

I do, and I think my word supercedes his relative to american politics. Your words supercedes his, observers does, so does any other american, conservative or liberal.

I don't remember what happened in '94 and I will be the first to agree that the Pubs need to change their ways if they want a Republican president again.  However, there is still a lot of support for conservative principles so the situation is not impossible.  If we can have a balanced Congress where one party cannot bulldoze the other one then I think that would be an ideal situation for the voter.  Let the proposals win on the basis of merit rather than on partisan support.

I don't buy everything that Lighthouse says but I find him to be an interesting and funny person.  He seems to accept me for what I am and I return the favor. As to Limbaugh and the "conservative leadership' they are both out of touch
with the traditional mainstream patron and I think that is what cost us the election last time. For example, I am a Republican and I have voted Democratic the last two elections.  It wasn't that I was all that enthused about the Democratic candidate but that the Republican candidate had little to offer but four more years of war.  I have had enough of that noise.

IM you could be dead right on an issue but if your attitude gets in the way then you don't have much of a chance.  I am not in this game to win or lose and simply want to have civil discussions on the issues.  If everyone here or at Nopc agreed with all my POV then it might be pretty boring.  At least I try to field the differences of opinion in a manner that doesn't get people turned off on me, unless it is apparent that they are wanting to jack me around.

I think that the Republicans have always been in the minority, and for a simple reason. There are more takers than givers, so if they are to win they have to garner support from disaffected Democrats. You harp on the current Republicans.  Have at it because I don't support some of their nonsense and I agree, obstructionism is not much of a party plank.  However, the Pubs are serving a purpose by opposing nonsensical measures in the healthcare reform bills and the thing is starting to look more like something that I can support.  I don't want to give the Pubs all the credit for straightening the mess out because a number of Democrats have also seen the need to clean it up.

There are a number of ideas that conservatives are working on but right now they can't be heard over the din of the mob.  I think that in time many of their ideas will be implemented too and am especially interested in the ideas for better independence on energy supplies.  The Pubs on these issues have some very valid reasons for what they are proposing where the Dems are playing the obstructionist role.

As to Light's view on American politics I think he has an excellent handle on our issues.  So what if he doesn't live here and cannot vote. Outsiders can often see things more clearly because they are not personally involved and in the case of socialised medicine he has a lot more experience than most Americans have.

If you are so angry with those who post here then why do you come around?  We have enough rancor on this site without you stirring up some more.

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ivanm,

I don't remember what happened in '94 and I will be the first to agree that the Pubs need to change their ways if they want a Republican president again.  However, there is still a lot of support for conservative principles so the situation is not impossible.  If we can have a balanced Congress where one party cannot bulldoze the other one then I think that would be an ideal situation for the voter.  Let the proposals win on the basis of merit rather than on partisan support.

Demographics have changed since 94 thats why the possiblity of 94 happening now is remote. The polls also show that republican have the lowest approval.  Third, there was a tax increase by the democratic congress in 93, people got mad, so that also helped the republicans. At this time the mess we are in was created by republictans, so then they really cannot try using the displeasure of he people by blaming democrats because a smart democratic politican would simply use the republican forom 2000-2006, and the Bush presidency against their challenger. A balanced house would be nice, but the republicans do not want that. They want every seat.

Also the current base of the party produced leaders who do not want to corpoimise, they want everything their way. So then balance is not possible.

I don't buy everything that Lighthouse says but I find him to be an interesting and funny person.  He seems to accept me for what I am and I return the favor. As to Limbaugh and the "conservative leadership' they are both out of touch
with the traditional mainstream patron and I think that is what cost us the election last time. For example, I am a Republican and I have voted Democratic the last two elections.  It wasn't that I was all that enthused about the Democratic candidate but that the Republican candidate had little to offer but four more years of war.  I have had enough of that noise.

I'm fine about accepting you as long as you stay away from making silly and unsubstantiated racial remarks about black people, then cry racist when you get hit back with the truth about what whites have actually done. Pretty simple. Because you have the right to hold your poltical beliefs, this is america. We can disagree strongly and still be friends. I have no problem with that. However Lightworker is no american, so in my view he has no say. And he certianly has no right to run down americans based upon their poltics, since he does not live here and really does not understand  how this country operates.

IM you could be dead right on an issue but if your attitude gets in the way then you don't have much of a chance.  I am not in this game to win or lose and simply want to have civil discussions on the issues.  If everyone here or at Nopc agreed with all my POV then it might be pretty boring.  At least I try to field the differences of opinion in a manner that doesn't get people turned off on me, unless it is apparent that they are wanting to jack me around.

Why do you thnk I hold the attiude I do?  At NOPC I have shown fact after fact that supported my opinion and no on there did so.  I was asked to provide links constantly when people did not believe my words and when I asked for the same did not get them. I was called a racist even  though I made a specific reference to a portion of the white population that has a real problem with race, and did not include all whites in any statement, plus most of my responses were statements about things whites have done to blacks that are documtend fact  in our legal system. So then I was getting jacked around constanlty. People could say any kind of off the cuff racist statement and no complaints, no reprimands posted for all to see, and when I asked  for a thread that  was non poltiical to be moved to the inferno, it stayed in the politics section, even though nothing that was posted there had any thing to do with politics. Then when a women who has made a series of very racist statements got called a raicst ho, I got banned. The woman who made the racist comments  has never gotten banned or warned. This is the type of shit that happened at NOPC, and thats why my attitude was as it was. I know when I am around a bunch of racist pricks ivanm, and NIPC was that place. It was not so bad before the newsmax crowd invaded.

Its why I do not plan on going back, because I do not have to deal with those white raicsts. I have to deal with enough of them during my daily activites, so then I do not have to put up with it in my leisure time. I came here to get away from that. 

I think that the Republicans have always been in the minority, and for a simple reason. There are more takers than givers, so if they are to win they have to garner support from disaffected Democrats. You harp on the current Republicans.  Have at it because I don't support some of their nonsense and I agree, obstructionism is not much of a party plank.  However, the Pubs are serving a purpose by opposing nonsensical measures in the healthcare reform bills and the thing is starting to look more like something that I can support.  I don't want to give the Pubs all the credit for straightening the mess out because a number of Democrats have also seen the need to clean it up.

The republicans are opposing health care based on nothing. I had no problem swith republicans before 1994. The problem with the party is that is has been hijacked by the nutcase fringe. Republicans are now the party of the racists, the sexists, the fundamentalist pharisee calling themselves a christian, and they want to take over this country and  make it into a place no one would want to live in. Its why they look for another Reagan, because he was the one who stood for white rights He communicated wih the angry white man who felt dissaffected for no reason, they want to take this nation backwards to some mysticla time that never was, and no one of any political beleif should want to see this.

Moderate republicans are getting attacked, and yesterday I saw where the nutbags decided to attack on of their own right wingers because he worked with a democrat.  Folks like you have dowplayed me saying this, but I think I know a group of raicsts when I see them and this is where the republican party has gone. Racists like Limbaugh control your party even though you say he is not the mainstream. If you want to bring the party back to sanity, he, Glen Beck, O'Rielly, Hannity and most of the talk radio hosts must be denounced.

Then on the foriegn polcy front extremists have taken control of your party policy. NEOCONS put our coutry in a very dangerous position and the base that controls your party now wants to blow up everything that we do not like because they want to flex some kind of muscle to show the world that we are the greatest, and no one else counts.

Domestically, your party at present shows no empathy or compassion. Its get all you want any way you can and if you are poor then thats your problem. Grayson was right when he said that the republican plan for health care is don't get sick, and if you do, die quickly. Its pretty much their philosophy about eveyrthing else.  This is whats killing the party and unless you want to see the republican party die, its something that has to be changed.

Sarah Palin is not going to change it, nor is Huckabee or Pawlenty. All three of these are losing propositons. You want to show a change, the get Colin Powell to run. It would bring back the moderates to your party and perhaps draw some moderates away from Obama. He has the experience, and the skill to be president far and above any of the candidates the party is touting right now.

And even more than Obama.

There are a number of ideas that conservatives are working on but right now they can't be heard over the din of the mob.  I think that in time many of their ideas will be implemented too and am especially interested in the ideas for better independence on energy supplies.  The Pubs on these issues have some very valid reasons for what they are proposing where the Dems are playing the obstructionist role.

I think that republican ideas really should not be taken seriously. Not given the current makeup of the party leadership. They are why we are in the mess we are in today. You cannot have control of the government at every level for 6 years, and 2 of the three branches for the last 8, then claim its not your fault when what you propose is a disaster. What exactly is thier idea of better independence for energy? At last check it was drill baby drill.  Yet we only have 3 percent of the worlds drill.

As to Light's view on American politics I think he has an excellent handle on our issues.  So what if he doesn't live here and cannot vote. Outsiders can often see things more clearly because they are not personally involved and in the case of socialised medicine he has a lot more experience than most Americans have.

Thats because you are a conservative. Again Lighthouses view could be respected but I feel that he has no right to run down americans because they are liberals.  When you say something to him about that, then you can talk to me about how I respond to him. Because in the case of health care, our system is not very good. On top of that, people should not be dying because they cannot pay.
Not in a place where people claim we are the greatest nation ever.

If you are so angry with those who post here then why do you come around?  We have enough rancor on this site without you stirring up some more.

If you did not stir up the rancor there would be none. For example why is Micheal a racist?

Is it because he says the truth about what has happened and you don't want to listen? So then you do not respect his views, but want yours repsected.

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So, was this the thread where Vel predicted a Shellacking of the Republicans by the Democrats on November 2, 2010 and were to give the Republicans a What For?

Good call, sir.